Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6E482380000BD; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 05:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Qr4d5-0001P6-U8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:59:11 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Qr4d5-0001Ox-8R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:59:11 +0100 Received: from mailout08.t-online.de ([194.25.134.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Qr4d3-0002go-HL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:59:11 +0100 Received: from fwd03.aul.t-online.de (fwd03.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout08.t-online.de with smtp id 1Qr4d1-0007zu-VY; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 10:59:07 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.32] (bH1KgcZToh0qll0BRNrqlyatF3KBuASa+PT2YDD06jrwWNAXwXCRXEawvQ9fTiEQs1@[79.237.173.70]) by fwd03.t-online.de with esmtp id 1Qr4d1-0RKzSq0; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 10:59:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de References:<4E418609.6020500@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <67A6F7BF45BF4A0193A3DCB53000A283@PcMinto> <008401cc56ce$2f1fb2c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To:<008401cc56ce$2f1fb2c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> To: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 6.08.0003 Date: 10 Aug 2011 08:58 GMT Message-ID: <1Qr4d1-0RKzSq0@fwd03.t-online.de> X-ID: bH1KgcZToh0qll0BRNrqlyatF3KBuASa+PT2YDD06jrwWNAXwXCRXEawvQ9fTiEQs1 X-TOI-MSGID: aa7f68c0-d7fe-44eb-9ddb-6fe83d1e79a6 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: HB9ASB... Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:425027104:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d74e4248d45435 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear all, Mal in special, if the cable to the rx would really be the antenna for the active aerial, only local qrm would be received! The screen of the cable has to be grounded bfore entering the house, as Roelof has stated, but avoid any additional grounding within the house. Especially at VLF an 1:1 isolation or separation transformer having an inductivity of 10 mH or higher is needed for active aerials before the receiver to break currents in the screen which the cable has picked up from the environment. And on an ordinary toroid the polarization of the transformer has to be optimized for real noise-free performance. Just by this method I got rid of qrm from a nearby solar panel installation and its 300 Hz spectrum up to 20 kHz which has plagued me since autumn 2010. For my inductive aerials, this interfering field ist still existing. But copy of SAQ last Friday using the active aerial (in my case using an LT1252 as amplifier just needing 10 mA) has been ufb again. 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "mal hamilton" schrieb: > Minto > Get rid of fluorescent strip lights from your house, only QRM generators for > radio amateurs. > It seems MINIWHIP antennas work better the higher they are installed above > ground which makes me think that the cable connecting the probe to the RX is > in fact the REAL antenna. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > A probe antenna should work equally well at ground level in the clear as in > an elevated position. > G3KEV > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Minto Witteveen" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 8:44 PM > Subject: Re: LF: HB9ASB... > > > > .. And he is even visible on my grabber! > > I raised the miniwhip from +4 to +11 meters (large fishing rod in the > > backyard). > > Signal levels increased by 15 dB. Noise level was raised too, but the QRM > > from my fluorescent lights in the house no longer show up. so there must > be > > some improvement. > > Tomorrow I will again measure de DCF39 to noise ratio. > > > > 73's > > Minto pa3bca > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Ceterum censeo Carthaginem delendam esse > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stefan Schäfer > > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 21:10 > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Subject: LF: HB9ASB... > > > > ...now joins in at 137.695! 25 dB SNR here. > > > > Looking forward to a opening band tonite... > > > > 73, Stefan > > > > > > >