Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AD0DC380000BD; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QtOCn-0004JX-8Q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:17:37 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QtOCm-0004JN-Lu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:17:36 +0100 Received: from nm2.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([212.82.108.233]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QtOCk-0002W8-VM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:17:36 +0100 Received: from [212.82.108.228] by nm2.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2011 18:17:29 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.224] by tm1.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2011 18:17:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2011 18:17:29 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 405253.70787.bm@omp1001.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 97418 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2011 18:17:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=s1pV4vZHINpcBV0fyVXXACEESva6EpecAcgkx/xfGsobfP8PH7SjFxEP4u3Noo2gC653BPrZd3/ch66YmDkl3lXr0oUQnDfJfgT5KzptetN6gGFSf5j88dCBphXjaeIMNRtaMBh1+tMefD5C6uw4abHDeasEAM6uYXYTbOb9JbA= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1313518649; bh=MctQIkEWCWs0dfic4njG6HXoBwhU0atQV3E/ela01Nk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=6EXLujginuLUJzmiZkQtHN1YXBKsW8F+nxBMfSwF251eEUSMBB5Nrv5c1ewKp0XFHDojMjRTe5aShg63dBgCW3nY6n0doTk1kB8ACMjBnJdNmAu7XpKYKTsnt5clVpE5Cy0VTrFKbIBiEm6g6MSh0kQFgyETXQnEQTszUmSX/xE= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: KlLTRTIVM1k1pO37f.gqQ7wXnEPoDjvmHl6.rvuXPv1Tluo j0U2uXygVqb_1DoWDJtMgNoIgYSgrlkhW2bnqoFMLnOoy_n4Xh2qo3PNPljS 16qhBSBLtSfZCfxzrd9FQOr2roc2eGhWvAyfka.I01_2HUZ3fLiv_2b7bky0 KdbJKvgpvPUn5ctf8oTWSFD.iQ1HZbJUypqJtRUmhUPCxjb8u.gHALDwPSGK 6gNAKppM4L4j1vFiKAurDrGgJjm7RrXgQNJ3AkKo.eaQ2rdGuGNHhaeIebhD sAIObDfiKE8w8PK5dDUnR4vhf1j_L4_m9kIDpWxqVdNiy.I.DxJ56knLOpG4 c4LxDAIGknjw.0TJXs7syz79huiUKKewFAxpuqgDUDprLEzvlyG1NiHhVFTx A3w3TWMrmzyx8F81vbfo- X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.135.149.173 with login) by smtp818.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2011 18:17:29 +0000 GMT Message-ID: <182D3176BF9144939EF13D0CBAC4921F@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <005f01cc5c32$66a39ae0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <005f01cc5c32$66a39ae0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:17:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: ferrite coil Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:442381888:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d239.2 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41164e4ab46d0d70 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Mal, LF Group, >Instead of winding a tight coil on to a ferrite rod to get 270 uH and >tuning with a 250 p variable capacitor... The required tuning capacitance would be about 5000pF. >...instead wind an air core coil and move the ferrite rod into/out of coil >for the required inductance necessary for frequency >of interest. This >would further reduce losses. You could tune inductance downwards in this way, but unfortunately any reduction would be accompanied by reduced magnetic flux due to the received signal in the antenna winding. So the signal amplitude would be reduced. Also, I doubt if losses actually would be lower - certainly, the coil without the ferrite rod will have a much lower Q than with the rod in place, so a point must come as the rod is withdrawn where Q decreases rapidly. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU