Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2CC153800008A; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 06:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QsuNR-0003zq-OT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 11:26:37 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QsuNR-0003zh-4P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 11:26:37 +0100 Received: from filter02.i-online.fr ([195.200.78.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QsuNQ-0008Ro-Kn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 11:26:37 +0100 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by filter02.i-online.fr (IceWarp 10.2.2) with ESMTP (SSL) id YSO40531 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:25:31 +0200 Received: (qmail 9698 invoked by uid 507); 15 Aug 2011 12:26:26 +0200 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.101?) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2011 12:26:26 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: John Rabson In-Reply-To: <8F12A13F-4174-4C0F-8916-1543A69C2E65@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:26:28 +0200 Message-Id: <17BB4B3F-F338-4973-8F87-BD710C9C1539@numeo.fr> References: <8F12A13F-4174-4C0F-8916-1543A69C2E65@gmail.com> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: LF: Ferrite rods Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:441520128:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60154e48f4b538ec X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none There is an extensive discussion of ferrite rod antennas in Chapter 4 = of: Gibson, David (2004) Channel Characterisation and System Design = for Sub-Surface Communications PhD thesis, Leeds University 2004. John=20 F5VLF On 15 Aug 2011, at 09:46CEST, Roger Lapthorn wrote: > Although I've little experience of ferrite rods on LF receive I did = wind my 600uH 500kHz ATU loading coil for my 5w transverter on one. = With just a 5m top loaded vertical it worked well without saturation = problems when sitting on the bedroom table. At QRP it is less lossy as = less wire is needed.=20 >=20 > People have successfully engineered (single turn I think) ferrite rods = as TX antennas for 10MHz QRPp WSPR. Somewhere I have some information on = this. As long as saturation is avoided there is some mileage for HF TX = applications in very compact QRP stations.=20 >=20 > Worth some experiments on LF receive Stefan.=20 >=20 > 73s > Roger G3XBM >=20 > Via my iPod Touch 4g 2.4GHz handheld.=20 >=20