Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9D4E338000043; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QlRxM-0008KC-2N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:40:52 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QlRxL-0008K3-0E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:40:51 +0100 Received: from rhcavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.129] helo=cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QlRxI-0002uJ-9u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:40:50 +0100 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: 0DCB91382EF.AF1F2 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DCB91382EF for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 22:40:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB-N4.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub-n4.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.14]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D70E331E703 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 22:40:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-EXC2-CA.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.11.14]) by ICTS-S-HUB-N4.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.9.14]) with mapi; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 22:40:39 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 22:40:38 +0200 Thread-Topic: Re: DL6NN on 137 Thread-Index: AcxLAk2A+cxrfSrcTOiq0F+jTUVmnwAB4Ob6 Message-ID: References: <4E29AB51.1040401@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4E29ADE8.6060706@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4E29BC6E.8030500@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <8486B5CCE6EA4804B9957C9C25CEE702@PcMinto> <001101cc4912$8938c5e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf>,<3BEB06475E9047058E91633D4C919360@PcMinto> ,<422A476EC5844326842C18BCC62D032D@PcMinto> In-Reply-To: <422A476EC5844326842C18BCC62D032D@PcMinto> Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl-BE Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: nl-NL, nl-BE MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: Re: DL6NN on 137 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:226151344:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408d4e2dd51f7efc X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Minto, my old 136kHz antenna seems pretty similar to yours. If I remind well the a= ntenna capacitance was slightly more (420pF) and the loss a bit less in win= ter (130 Ohm) but higher in summer (up to 170 Ohm). The maximum output power was 450W, good for 1.85 A antenna current and just= over 5kV antenna voltage. As long as the antenna was dry I never had any problems with the antenna vo= ltage. I had about 50% of the loading coil at the top of the vertical secti= on, so the vertical section had "only" 2.5kV. It seems a good idea to keep the hight voltage outdoor. Maybe you can put a= large fixed coil outside and just have a small variometer for daily tuning= inside. This will also reduce the losses. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens Minto Witteveen [minto.witteveen@gmail.com] Verzonden: maandag 25 juli 2011 21:34 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Re: DL6NN on 137 Hi Rik, Thanks for the heads-up. I think your antenna is better than mine, but possibly not by much. I do have another concern however, and that is the high voltage at the antenna. The capacitance at 136 kHz is (measured) 390 pF. With a total system impedance of 150 Ohm and 1 kW this translates to 7.7 kV!! On 500 I already had some "interesting" phenomena with 5 kV. The antenna i= s end-fed here in the shack in the attic. So I will have a fire extinguisher at hand when tx-ing on 136.. Regards, Minto pa3bca. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ceterum censeo Carthaginem delendam esse -----Original Message----- From: Rik Strobbe Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 20:51 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: DL6NN on 137 Minto, I was active on 136kHz with a similar antenna (15m high, 25m long "lazy-L" antenna) and in addition the losses were very high (abt. 130-160 Ohm). Despite that I managed to work distances up to 1600km in regular CW (best D= X =3D OH1TN). So don't dispair. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T=