Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0B62D380000F8; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 17:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QmBlM-0004TR-KM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 22:35:32 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QmBlM-0004TI-2b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 22:35:32 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QmBlL-0002nB-HY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 22:35:32 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p6RLZUXU014314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 23:35:31 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id p6RLZU8T030130 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 23:35:30 +0200 Message-ID: <4E3083F4.4020403@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 23:32:36 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4E292DA4.3090507@telus.net> <4E294BFF.4030700@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: Lightning Story Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:490421408:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40564e308507694c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Bill, Really an exciting story ;-) I think once the TL084 got damaged it acts like a rather low impedant part and will carry several mA or A, thus it smells after a long time ;-) It's a questing of the dissipated power and energy. The E field probe was protected against overvoltages and as Roelof says, it is rather immune to short impulses and protects itselfe a bit by becoming conductive. The 1N4148 would have protected the amp input even if the distance to the strike would be 1m i bet :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 27.07.2011 19:24, schrieb Bill de Carle: > A couple of nights ago a thunderstorm came through here just after we > had gone to bed. We thought the storm had passed but then there was a > very loud bang. I heard the crackle and sizzle of electricity and the > boom almost simultaneously. A few minutes later fire trucks came so I > got up to investigate. Turns out the bolt hit a tall pine tree on my > neighbour's property. What remained of the tree was on fire. Our > telephone was not working but the mains power stayed on. I thought > for sure the next morning I'd have to replace blown out parts. At the > time of the lightning strike my antennas were disconnected (outdoors) > from the house because we knew the storm was coming. I was concerned > about a preamp for some VLF loops back in the woods and a > newly-installed mini-whip (J-310 front end) on the garage roof. I > measured the distance to where the lightning hit: 150 M from the > struck tree to the mini-whip and 200 M to the loop preamp. I checked > the preamp first: it was dead. Burned IC (TL084, I could still detect > the smell in the morning). When I tested the mini-whip I was amazed > it still worked fine! The loop has protective diodes (1N4148) across > the hi-Z ends and those diodes also survived the strike, which was > unexpected. Starting at the base of the struck pine tree one notices > a newly-made straight line trench in the ground (about 30 M long) > heading towards the nearby river. Evidently the current was making > its way to the water. I'm wondering why the mini-whip (closer to the > strike) survived but the TL084 did not. The preamp drives a buried > cable (about 50 M) to my radio shack. That cable (no DC path to > ground at either end) runs in a direction parallel to the trench made > by the lightning but displaced at least 100 M. Could enough voltage > be induced to burn up a TL084? > > Bill VE2IQ >