Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 08E37380000DD; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 15:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QlQvn-000848-IM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:35:11 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QlQvm-00083z-WE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:35:11 +0100 Received: from mail-ew0-f43.google.com ([209.85.215.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QlQvk-0001jF-3M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:35:10 +0100 Received: by ewy20 with SMTP id 20so4195157ewy.16 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:35:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=zg1XJNKZV4KUu3yrAIfQIx+pMTSotQgBkUx8CjO41zE=; b=XRJuL3/F50BUMgAvmBfWp5IJZlHMZ8aJG/SaiP1FsEMhwPeT5DnmUPR7aV3iQtvPgG MIpwdCvoz50iMhj49Uk7xpDFM4m3OlpzvZ67z0C8zz5gA8izSnmu5ilO6DN4a6xos9CB mbP3Nsq0rH0HJN7csHllcFA5u67u7k5qqYARY= Received: by 10.14.98.75 with SMTP id u51mr1595924eef.164.1311622501587; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from PcMinto (h50208.upc-h.chello.nl [62.194.50.208]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q56sm2967196eef.49.2011.07.25.12.34.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:35:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <422A476EC5844326842C18BCC62D032D@PcMinto> From: Minto Witteveen To: References: <4E29AB51.1040401@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4E29ADE8.6060706@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4E29BC6E.8030500@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <8486B5CCE6EA4804B9957C9C25CEE702@PcMinto> <001101cc4912$8938c5e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf>,<3BEB06475E9047058E91633D4C919360@PcMinto> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:34:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3508.1109 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3508.1109 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: DL6NN on 137 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:465365632:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d270.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cd4e2dc5a6693d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Rik, Thanks for the heads-up. I think your antenna is better than mine, but possibly not by much. I do have another concern however, and that is the high voltage at the antenna. The capacitance at 136 kHz is (measured) 390 pF. With a total system impedance of 150 Ohm and 1 kW this translates to 7.7 kV!! On 500 I already had some "interesting" phenomena with 5 kV. The antenna is end-fed here in the shack in the attic. So I will have a fire extinguisher at hand when tx-ing on 136.. Regards, Minto pa3bca. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ceterum censeo Carthaginem delendam esse -----Original Message----- From: Rik Strobbe Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 20:51 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: DL6NN on 137 Minto, I was active on 136kHz with a similar antenna (15m high, 25m long "lazy-L" antenna) and in addition the losses were very high (abt. 130-160 Ohm). Despite that I managed to work distances up to 1600km in regular CW (best DX = OH1TN). So don't dispair. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T