Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B56093800008A; Sun, 24 Jul 2011 11:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ql0Zt-0006VH-NE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jul 2011 16:26:49 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ql0Zs-0006V8-N6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jul 2011 16:26:48 +0100 Received: from mail-ew0-f43.google.com ([209.85.215.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ql0Zq-0006tK-Bu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jul 2011 16:26:48 +0100 Received: by ewy20 with SMTP id 20so3452189ewy.16 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2011 08:26:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=3S+1VqE2eccp0isON1xmFLm6JdffCZrciSPqFmEx6tc=; b=YGG8z9mcblqF4hZAfBkIgEQACB7dqEtMH7lNyMC9I9PY0DpPTinfN6V3GYXRInHXLC FY2kWlIEvwcbnOqaGOd7EpXRWOtgunKl0IGxnXxCUOcs+uPad78YpP/NyCTqBFx2rMJV i85SL5Mg8d7HwCVVQWjJNONfBxYvs1pPb35ac= Received: by 10.14.48.73 with SMTP id u49mr1234444eeb.66.1311521200009; Sun, 24 Jul 2011 08:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from PcMinto (h50208.upc-h.chello.nl [62.194.50.208]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c10sm2453342eeb.67.2011.07.24.08.26.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 24 Jul 2011 08:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3BEB06475E9047058E91633D4C919360@PcMinto> From: Minto Witteveen To: References: <4E29AB51.1040401@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4E29ADE8.6060706@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4E29BC6E.8030500@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <8486B5CCE6EA4804B9957C9C25CEE702@PcMinto> <001101cc4912$8938c5e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <001101cc4912$8938c5e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 17:26:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3508.1109 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3508.1109 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: DL6NN on 137 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:473684832:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d014.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60494e2c3a294656 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Mal, 1 KW should be enough for a regular CW QSO I suppose. But on the other hand: my antenna efficiency is very low. I did some calculations with MMANA-GAL and the radiation resistance of my 30 mtr long end-fed antenna is only 0.019 Ohm… And there is no simple way to improve (lengthen or make it higher). Measurement with my AIM4170 Antenna Analyzer shows a total antenna system impedance of 150 Ohms at 136 KHz. So the efficiency is only 0.019/150 = 127x10^-6. This means that with 1 KW output the ERP is only 0.13 Watt. I hope it is enough.. Kind regards, Minto pa3bca -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ceterum censeo Carthaginem delendam esse -----Original Message----- From: mal hamilton Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 10:28 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Re: DL6NN on 137 Hi Minto Let me know when you are QRV for a QSO on 137. CW will be satisfactory for both ends with our power and mine 73 es gl de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Minto Witteveen" To: Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:00 PM Subject: LF: Re: DL6NN on 137 > Well, I am all for it.. > > Now that we (PA) are kicked off of 500 KHz (again!) I needed another > challenge. So 136 KHz it is. > > I have already built a PA for 136. My design is for > 1KW, I have only > tested it at 650 Watt as my current power supply cannot handle more, and the > same goes for my dummy load. > > But I do have a 50 Volt 1.2 KW supply that should do the trick. > > I do not think QRP is an option on 137 KHz - especially with my antenna (Mal > wil probably concur :-) ) > > Next step is building a variometer (3.5 to 4 mH), and the mixer/driver so I > can use my ft817 like in the 500 KHz setup. > > Don’t expect met to appear on 136 any time real soon however, unformtunately > I do not have much time at the moment to complete the project. My target is > the end of August. > > > > For those interested: I have created a quick and dirty webpage with some > info abt my experiment: > > http://www.pa3bca.nl/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=22&Itemid= 16 > > > > Regards, > > Minto pa3bca > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > >From: Stefan Schäfer > > >Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 20:07 > > >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > >Subject: Re: LF: Re: DL6NN on 137 > > >He seems to be new on the band. No other stations visible in the moment. > > >Surely it would be a positive impulse if new stations could get some > > >QSOs. This could start a positive spiral of activity. It's up to us... > > >DL6NN in JO30VC, OM Lutz. 99km distant to me, 250km to DF6NM. > > >73, Stefan/DK7FC, still in QSO > >