Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3D0823800009A; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 19:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QmDXm-0004me-7R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 00:29:38 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QmDXl-0004mV-Pk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 00:29:37 +0100 Received: from nm2.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([212.82.108.233]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QmDXk-0004kT-93 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 00:29:37 +0100 Received: from [212.82.108.229] by nm2.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2011 23:29:30 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.224] by tm2.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2011 23:29:30 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2011 23:29:30 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 556771.58108.bm@omp1001.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 36580 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2011 23:29:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=lNxSndv1pmR7r0HWOB1YOvxKaxbmJmZGEiru4nHY8pwZu4sFHckd/diGYlT3Q+86EXoMqST9w8vBuKFM9h6s9itwNIjkig9FzG8adY0lsUrvwadDvARGELDwrBi3rzhmnXEOZwCeOi6AeGNL5u1UIHu6J1hwF2k11ebuUuJGQkY= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1311809370; bh=wtlWtctIMAvd7GFAG2di32KJ3Q7Ccr+JczD5+p7HGZY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=yiyJoPPSS9qWwpCoVa2KaWMgqOeLCEkzFjSRKq2/SncLzYp6VDYvsakVe4SQPTU5rLT7vWn5hiV5dA1Qn4osUHbyVbU+lM8pQWXqrUaveZQcQ/f49mXpnFQNmXYu2CDb0lsIJqZmX+rndgW6JaUZa0KA8XQM57CTlTnBIPsfZnw= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: i8aSz8kVM1kX6Ef0D2KJ9kSq.wvgmSRg052o_5TIKHQgeun cPt21uFqNK9_twpye1ZiOF6U1R56W5zdI5GHFLsrJqUcMX1fFWX397LN87M. o1EJQhotx9W8otxr3bJ.3RXm8Q1x_P4xO3D6j.Yz4Ke2JQGRDrkS0cT0q9GF ugjOrSU9Acg9EWZ058PgdhvEVqjG1UrZVGdZoU.6jXhddfK.CYMMFCl7fb63 YeDRADoZZD8eaIle_qZc3ahSnOjN64vaKH_l.w17mtaQkSIC2d3cIB0gmMi4 vZH3gZevjfRzcpcyC2fZZgOgszq4SM9KrYtH0a2zFK1cDrKmxqVpEe5vU0eA Wbfmp X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.176.85.247 with login) by smtp823.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2011 16:29:30 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <139AEA250B474F2495A74613B2D8A528@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4E292DA4.3090507@telus.net> <4E294BFF.4030700@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 00:29:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Lightning Story Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:411891424:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d292.1 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411a4e309fad79e4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Bill, LF Group, It seems that a lightning strike has a current of 10s to 100s of kiloamperes, with a rise time measuresd in kiloamps per microsecond, so the transient E and H fields must be intense. I guess anything with a substantial length of cable attached is going to be subjected to large induced voltages and current, even without any connections, metallic or via an arc of some sort. From your description, the loop antenna has a relatively long feeder compared to the mini-whip, and this feeder would have acted as the larger side of an asymmetrical dipole "transient antenna", the loop itself being the other side. So perhaps the poor old TL084 had to endure a big transient induced between its input and output, while the protection diodes only had to suffer the transient induced in the loop itself. On the bright side, TL084s are quite reasonably priced fuses, so perhaps an IC socket would be the best investment ;-) Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU