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Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 06:54:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniele Tincani <danieletincani@yahoo.com>
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Stefan,=0Ain fact I tried to compare a small and simple-to-build active loo=
p for VLF =0Areception (ref. http://www.vlf.it/easyloop/_easyloop.htm) with=
 a short E-probe =0Abased on your design and with another short active whip=
 based on Steve =0AMcGreevy's BBB-4. Unfortunately, noise conditions at my =
location (in Livorno, =0AItaly) are so bad that it was very hard to get acc=
eptable results under 10KHz. =0AAdditionally, I didn't perform specific tes=
ts with the E-probes, like for =0Aexample attaching them to a fishing rod (=
or other support) to put them well =0Aoutside of my balcony at 5th floor, t=
hat probably would have given a substantial =0Aimprovement. Anyway, I think=
 I have some test results and screenshots stored on =0Amy hard disk and I w=
ill be pleased to share them with Jose. I will be sending a =0Amore informa=
tive message (hopefully) on the reflector when back to home this =0Aevening=
.=0ANow I have a new soundcard (the popular E-MU 0202) and a new portable P=
C, so =0Athere could be room for repeating my tests=A0in autumn.=0ABest reg=
ards=0ADaniele=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Stefa=
n Sch=E4fer <schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>=0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=
.org=0ASent: Wed, June 15, 2011 2:19:56 PM=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: VLF in Sp=
ain=0A=0AHello Jos=E9,=0A=0AOK, but if you live in a city, brobably it is b=
etter to try a small E field =0Aantenna first. Daniele Tinacani has done ma=
ny tests with loops and E field =0Aantennas on 9 kHz. Maybe he can give som=
e further advice (if he reads this =0Amail). =0A=0AIt would be worth to mon=
itor a wideband screen to see which kind of noise =0Aaffects the RX. Some E=
MC tricks may improve things easily by 20 dB, depending on =0Athe source an=
d path of the noise. You can find these by testing, e.g. trying a =0Abatter=
y instead of a normal power supply, trying a battery fed notebook instead =
=0Aof a normal PC, trying to ground (or not) the antenna either on the RX o=
r =0Aantenna side, using an audio transformer to decouple an earth loop, ri=
sing the =0Aantenna by 2m (to reduce the gain and improve the wanted signal=
 strength) and =0Aand and :-)=0AI remember these works and email exchanges =
by 4X1RF, TF3HZ, G3ZJO and others. =0AAll they have gained a lot after seei=
ng and experimenting where the noise comes =0Afrom. So the wideband screen =
is essential i mean...=0A=0A73, GL, =0A=0AStefan/DK7FC=0A=0AAm 14.06.2011 2=
3:28, schrieb jos=E9 manuel: =0AHello Stefan,=0A>=0A>My idea is to=A0use=A0=
the PC as VLF RX under 10 kHz. I think that the level noise =0A>increased i=
n my urban environment because I don=B4t copy=A0 the Alpha=B4s =0A>transmis=
sions now, however I could copy them=A0some years ago,=A0when I worked on =
=0A>137 kHz. I=B4ll try=A0to improve my provisional antenna system, perhaps=
 with a loop =0A>I can reject some of the "made man noise" :-) I=B4ll tell =
you about the =0A>experiences.=0A>=0A>73 de Jos=E9, EA1PX=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>--=
--- Original Message ----- =0A>>From: Stefan Sch=E4fer =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_gro=
up@blacksheep.org =0A>>Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 12:18 PM=0A>>Subject: L=
F: VLF in Spain=0A>>=0A>>Hello Jos=E9,=0A>>=0A>>OK. Do you already have a r=
eceiver for VLF? If so, which one? The PC's =0A>>soundcard? Or do you just =
guess that you have strong QRM? =0A>>=0A>>Many stations are in the city, li=
ke 4X1RF, SQ5BPF and me. Anyway there is good =0A>>reception, 4X1RF even at=
 above 2500 km! Others are in the countryside and have =0A>>never really go=
t good reception, so mostly its an EMC issue. =0A>>=0A>>Thus i would sugges=
t to built a suitable antenna and run a suitable software and =0A>>monitor =
the total spectrum of your soundcard input which is mostly 0...24 kHz, =0A>=
>often called "wideband". You can see these windows running on many grabber=
s such =0A>>as =0A>>=0A>>http://www.mydarc.de/df6nm/vlf/vlfgrabber.htm=0A>>=
http://www.ok2bvg.cz/vlfgrabber/=0A>>http://qsl.net/4x1rf/yo/vlfgrabber.htm=
=0A>>http://simnet.is/halldorgudmunds/TF3HZ_VLFgrabber/index.html=0A>>http:=
//www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber.html and many =
=0A>>others.=0A>>Then, you'll get immediately an impression of the actual s=
ituation and see =0A>>effects like mains hum, sferics and the Alphas system=
 and some MSKs.=0A>>Seeing the Alphas and the sferics (i.e. the gap arround=
 8...11 UTC) is a first =0A>>good indicator for sensitivity!=0A>>=0A>>Actua=
lly all you need is a few Euros to build that RX antenna which can be a =0A=
>>loop or a E field antenna. Mosty receptions were done with the E field an=
tennas =0A>>which have some advantages due to their low weight and volume. =
But loop antennas =0A>>have shown very good results as well, mostly in quie=
t locations (like Paul =0A>>Nicholson, F4DTL, M0BMU...).=0A>>=0A>>73, Stefa=
n/DK7FC=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Am 14.06.2011 00:08, schrieb Jose Manuel: =0A>>S=
tefan,=0A>>>=0A>>>I=B4ll try to do some experience on sub 9kHz reception; I=
=B4ll try to find a quiet =0A>>>location on holiday, because I live in a ve=
ry noisy urban environment.=0A>>>=0A>>>Regarding 137 kHz I had some 2-way Q=
SO=B4s in the past with your country, with =0A>>>Wolf, Markus and others, b=
ut currently my LF antenna is down and I need to =0A>>>repair the SLM as we=
ll.=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>73 de Jos=E9, EA1PX=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>-----=
 Original Message ----- =0A>>>>From: Stefan Sch=E4fer =0A>>>>To: rsgb_lf_gr=
oup@blacksheep.org =0A>>>>Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 11:42 PM=0A>>>>Subjec=
t: Re: LF: ZEVS tonight.jpg=0A>>>>=0A>>>>Jos=E8, =0A>>>>=0A>>>>You can get =
many informations about the Dreamers Band (<9) at G3XBMs sub 9 kHz =0A>>>>w=
ebsite: https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/=0A>>>>Here you find record l=
ists and advice for antennas. And you can get every =0A>>>>information need=
ed HERE! :-)=0A>>>>=0A>>>>73, Stefan/DK7FC=0A>>>>=0A>>>>Am 13.06.2011 23:30=
, schrieb Jose Manuel: =0A>>>>Mal and all,=0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>You know that rec=
eption on 9 kHz is much more difficult than on 137 kHz.=0A>>>>>I never trie=
d to receive below 10 kHz, perhaps in a couple of weeks, when I=B4m on =0A>=
>>>>holiday ;-)=0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>73, Jos=E9, EA1PX=0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>---=
-- Original Message ----- =0A>>>>>>From: mal hamilton =0A>>>>>>To: rsgb_lf_=
group@blacksheep.org =0A>>>>>>Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 7:53 PM=0A>>>>>>S=
ubject: Re: LF: ZEVS tonight.jpg=0A>>>>>>=0A>>>>>>=0A>>>>>>Jose=0A>>>>>>In =
the past you were able to copy me on CW no problem, with XBAND qso=0A>>>>>>=
de mal/g3kev=0A>>>>>>=0A>>>>>>=0A>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- =0A>>>>=
>>>From: jos=E9 manuel =0A>>>>>>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>>>>>=
>Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 4:14 PM=0A>>>>>>>Subject: Re: LF: ZEVS tonight=
.jpg=0A>>>>>>>=0A>>>>>>>=0A>>>>>>>Hi Stefan and all,=0A>>>>>>>=0A>>>>>>>I=
=B4m in the NW of Spain, locator IN53ti, but with a very long path with you=
 =0A>>>>;-)=0A>>>>>>>=0A>>>>>>>73 de Jos=E9, EA1PX=0A>>>>>>>=0A>>>>>>>=0A>>=
>>>>>=0A>>>>>>>=0A>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- =0A>>>>>>>>From: Stef=
an Sch=E4fer =0A>>>>>>>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>>>>>>>Sent: S=
unday, June 12, 2011 11:57 PM=0A>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: LF: ZEVS tonight.jpg=
=0A>>>>>>>>=0A>>>>>>>>Eddie, =0A>>>>>>>>=0A>>>>>>>>Where in France will you=
 be? http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/ :-)=0A>>>>>>>>Will you be RX QRV on LF/V=
LF? If you are in the south, this would be an =0A>>>>>>>>interesting region=
. Unfortunately there is nothing yet from Spain on VLF...=0A>>>>>>>>=0A>>>>=
>>>>QRN will be high i assume so maybe it wouldn't be easy. Anyway iz would=
 be worth =0A>>>>>>>>a try. BTW i just checked for wind and the next weeken=
d looks promising so far. =0A>>>>>>>>If it will hold on, i'll try a kite VL=
F experiment but still much can change =0A>>>>>>>>until then...=0A>>>>>>>>=
=0A>>>>>>>>73, Stefan/DK7FC=0A>>>>>>>>=0A>>>>>>>>=0A>>>>>>>>=0A>>>>>>>>Am 1=
2.06.2011 23:27, schrieb qrss: =0A>>>>>>>>Hello Nicolas=0A>>>>>>>>>=0A>>>>>=
>>>>Yes almost 100% transmissions at 0800 and 1700UTC.=0A>>>>>>>>>=0A>>>>>>=
>>>Each data element is 4min=A0 and there are 6 of those plus 'start' and '=
space' =0A>>>>>>>>>makes 8 total, 32 minutes then the final long carrier 's=
top' is 1 Hour.=0A>>>>>>>>>=0A>>>>>>>>>Good luck with the antenna, yes urba=
n noise is the big problem. Soon I will come =0A>>>>>>>>>to France to try s=
ome really quiet places, I look forward to that.=0A>>>>>>>>>=0A>>>>>>>>>73 =
Eddie G3ZJO=0A>>>>>>>>>=0A>>>>>>>>>On 12/06/2011 21:34, F4DTL@aol.com wrote=
: =0A>>>>>>>>>Henny, Eddy beautifull captures.=0A>>>>>>>>>>=0A>>>>>>>>>>It'=
s every day at the same hour ? 0800 and 1700 UTC ?=0A>>>>>>>>>>How long the=
 ZVES transmissions ?=0A>>>>>>>>>>I built an new VLF antenna and I'll start=
 soon receptions.I would be=A0in campaign =0A>>>>>>>>>>to reduce urban nois=
e.=0A>>>>>>>>>>=0A>>>>>>>>>>F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP=0A>>>>>>>>>>http://lfistes=
.erst.azerttyu.net/=0A>>>>>>>>
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<html><head><style type=3D"text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></he=
ad><body><div style=3D"font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:1=
0pt"><DIV>Stefan,</DIV>=0A<DIV>in fact I tried to compare a small and simpl=
e-to-build active loop for VLF reception (ref. <A href=3D"http://www.vlf.it=
/easyloop/_easyloop.htm">http://www.vlf.it/easyloop/_easyloop.htm</A>) with=
 a short E-probe based on your design and with another short active whip ba=
sed on Steve McGreevy's BBB-4. Unfortunately, noise conditions at my locati=
on (in Livorno, Italy) are so bad that it was very hard to get acceptable r=
esults under 10KHz. Additionally, I didn't perform specific tests with the =
E-probes, like for example attaching them to a fishing rod (or other suppor=
t) to put them well outside of my balcony at 5th floor, that probably would=
 have given a substantial improvement. Anyway, I think I have some test res=
ults and screenshots stored on my hard disk and I will be pleased to share =
them with Jose. I will be sending a more informative message (hopefully) on=
 the reflector when back to home this evening.</DIV>=0A<DIV>Now I have a ne=
w soundcard (the popular E-MU 0202) and a new portable PC, so there could b=
e room for repeating my tests&nbsp;in autumn.</DIV>=0A<DIV>Best regards</DI=
V>=0A<DIV>Daniele<BR></DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: a=
rial, helvetica, sans-serif"><BR>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAM=
ILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif"><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2>=
=0A<HR SIZE=3D1>=0A<B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> St=
efan Sch=E4fer &lt;schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de&gt;<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"=
FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wed, June 15, 2011 2:19:56 PM<=
BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: LF: Re: VLF=
 in Spain<BR></FONT><BR>Hello Jos=E9,<BR><BR>OK, but if you live in a city,=
 brobably it is better to try a small E field antenna first. Daniele Tinaca=
ni has done many tests with loops and E field antennas on 9 kHz. Maybe he c=
an give some further advice (if he reads this mail). <BR>It would be worth =
to monitor a wideband screen to see which kind of noise affects the RX. Som=
e EMC tricks may improve things easily by 20 dB, depending on the source an=
d path of the noise. You can find these by testing, e.g. trying a battery i=
nstead of a normal power supply, trying a battery fed notebook instead of a=
 normal PC, trying to
 ground (or not) the antenna either on the RX or antenna side, using an aud=
io transformer to decouple an earth loop, rising the antenna by 2m (to redu=
ce the gain and improve the wanted signal strength) and and and :-)<BR>I re=
member these works and email exchanges by 4X1RF, TF3HZ, G3ZJO and others. A=
ll they have gained a lot after seeing and experimenting where the noise co=
mes from. So the wideband screen is essential i mean...<BR><BR>73, GL, <BR>=
<BR>Stefan/DK7FC<BR><BR>Am 14.06.2011 23:28, schrieb jos=E9 manuel: =0A<BLO=
CKQUOTE type=3D"cite">=0A<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello Stefan,</FO=
NT></DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My idea is=
 to&nbsp;use&nbsp;the PC as VLF RX under 10 kHz. I think that the level noi=
se increased in my urban environment because I don=B4t copy&nbsp; the Alpha=
=B4s transmissions now, however I could copy them&nbsp;some years ago,&nbsp=
;when I worked on 137 kHz. I=B4ll try&nbsp;to improve my provisional antenn=
a system, perhaps with a loop I can reject some of the "made man noise" :-)=
 I=B4ll tell you about the experiences.</FONT></DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 de Jos=E9, EA1PX</FONT></DIV>=0A<DIV>&n=
bsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr =
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LE=
FT: rgb(0,0,0) 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt ar=
ial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">----- Original Message -=
---- </DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228); FONT: 10pt arial;=
 font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>From:</B> <A title=3Dscha=
efer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de href=3D"mailto:schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de" t=
arget=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow ymailto=3D"mailto:schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg=
.de">Stefan Sch=E4fer</A> </DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-siz=
e-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@b=
lacksheep.org href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target=3D_blank =
rel=3Dnofollow ymailto=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_grou=
p@blacksheep.org</A> </DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adj=
ust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 14, 2011 12:18 =
PM</DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-str=
etch: normal"><B>Subject:</B> LF: VLF in Spain</DIV>=0A<DIV><BR></DIV>Hello=
 Jos=E9,<BR><BR>OK. Do you already have a receiver for VLF? If so, which on=
e? The PC's soundcard? Or do you just guess that you have strong QRM? <BR>M=
any stations are in the city, like 4X1RF, SQ5BPF and me. Anyway there is go=
od reception, 4X1RF even at above 2500 km! Others are in the countryside an=
d have never really got good reception, so mostly its an EMC issue. <BR>Thu=
s i would suggest to built a suitable antenna and run a suitable software a=
nd monitor the total spectrum of your soundcard input which is mostly 0...2=
4 kHz, often called "wideband". You can see these windows running on many g=
rabbers such as <BR>http://www.mydarc.de/df6nm/vlf/vlfgrabber.htm<BR>http:/=
/www.ok2bvg.cz/vlfgrabber/<BR>http://qsl.net/4x1rf/yo/vlfgrabber.htm<BR>htt=
p://simnet.is/halldorgudmunds/TF3HZ_VLFgrabber/index.html<BR>http://www.iup=
.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber.html and many others.<BR>=
Then, you'll get immediately an impression of the
 actual situation and see effects like mains hum, sferics and the Alphas sy=
stem and some MSKs.<BR>Seeing the Alphas and the sferics (i.e. the gap arro=
und 8...11 UTC) is a first good indicator for sensitivity!<BR><BR>Actually =
all you need is a few Euros to build that RX antenna which can be a loop or=
 a E field antenna. Mosty receptions were done with the E field antennas wh=
ich have some advantages due to their low weight and volume. But loop anten=
nas have shown very good results as well, mostly in quiet locations (like P=
aul Nicholson, F4DTL, M0BMU...).<BR><BR>73, Stefan/DK7FC<BR><BR><BR><BR>Am =
14.06.2011 00:08, schrieb Jose Manuel: =0A<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">=0A<DIV=
><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Stefan,</FONT></DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DI=
V><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I=B4ll try to do some experience on sub 9kHz =
reception; I=B4ll try to find a quiet location on holiday, because I live i=
n a very noisy urban environment.</FONT></DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV><=
FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regarding 137 kHz I had some 2-way QSO=B4s in th=
e past with your country, with Wolf, Markus and others, but currently my LF=
 antenna is down and I need to repair the SLM as well.</FONT></DIV>=0A<DIV>=
&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 de J=
os=E9, EA1PX</FONT></DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV>&n=
bsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"PADDING-RIG=
HT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(0,0,0) 2px s=
olid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjus=
t: none; font-stretch: normal">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>=0A<DIV s=
tyle=3D"BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228); FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: n=
one; font-stretch: normal"><B>From:</B> <A title=3Dschaefer@iup.uni-heidelb=
erg.de href=3D"mailto:schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de" target=3D_blank rel=
=3Dnofollow ymailto=3D"mailto:schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de">Stefan Sch=E4=
fer</A> </DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; fo=
nt-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org href=
=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow yma=
ilto=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</=
A> </DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-st=
retch: normal"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 13, 2011 11:42 PM</DIV>=0A<DIV sty=
le=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Su=
bject:</B> Re: LF: ZEVS tonight.jpg</DIV>=0A<DIV><BR></DIV>Jos=E8, <BR><BR>=
You can get many informations about the Dreamers Band (&lt;9) at G3XBMs sub=
 9 kHz website: <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext href=3D"https://sites.goog=
le.com/site/sub9khz/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>https://sites.google.c=
om/site/sub9khz/</A><BR>Here you find record lists and advice for antennas.=
 And you can get every information needed HERE! :-)<BR><BR>73, Stefan/DK7FC=
<BR><BR>Am 13.06.2011 23:30, schrieb Jose Manuel: =0A<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"ci=
te">=0A<STYLE></STYLE>=0A=0A<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal and all,</=
FONT></DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You know=
 that reception on 9 kHz is much more difficult than on 137 kHz.</FONT></DI=
V>=0A<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I never tried to receive below 10 kHz=
, perhaps in a couple of weeks, when I=B4m on holiday ;-)</FONT></DIV>=0A<D=
IV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73, Jos=E9, EA1PX</FONT>=
</DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr styl=
e=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: =
rgb(0,0,0) 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial;=
 font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">----- Original Message -----=
 </DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228); FONT: 10pt arial; fon=
t-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>From:</B> <A title=3Dg3kevmal=
@talktalk.net href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net" target=3D_blank rel=3Dn=
ofollow ymailto=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">mal hamilton</A> </DIV>=0A=
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: norma=
l"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org href=3D"mailto:rsgb_l=
f_group@blacksheep.org" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow ymailto=3D"mailto:rs=
gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> </DIV>=0A<DIV =
style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B=
>Sent:</B> Monday, June 13, 2011 7:53 PM</DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt a=
rial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF:=
 ZEVS tonight.jpg</DIV>=0A<DIV><BR></DIV>=0A<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D=
2>Jose</FONT></DIV>=0A<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In the past you were=
 able to copy me on CW no problem, with XBAND qso</FONT></DIV>=0A<DIV><FONT=
 face=3DArial size=3D2>de mal/g3kev</FONT></DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV=
>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-=
LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(0,0,0) 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGH=
T: 0px">=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-str=
etch: normal">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUN=
D: rgb(228,228,228); FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch=
: normal"><B>From:</B> <A title=3Djpradoes@telefonica.net href=3D"mailto:jp=
radoes@telefonica.net" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow ymailto=3D"mailto:jpr=
adoes@telefonica.net">jos=E9 manuel</A> </DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt a=
rial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dr=
sgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" ta=
rget=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow ymailto=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> </DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial;=
 font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 13=
, 2011 4:14 PM</DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: no=
ne; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: ZEVS tonight.jpg</DIV>=0A=
<DIV><BR></DIV>=0A<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Stefan and all,</FONT=
></DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I=B4m in the=
 NW of Spain, locator IN53ti, but with a very long path with you ;-)</FONT>=
</DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 de Jos=E9,=
 EA1PX</FONT></DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</=
DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0p=
x; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(0,0,0) 2px solid; =
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: non=
e; font-stretch: normal">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>=0A<DIV style=
=3D"BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228); FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none;=
 font-stretch: normal"><B>From:</B> <A title=3Dschaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.=
de href=3D"mailto:schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnof=
ollow ymailto=3D"mailto:schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de">Stefan Sch=E4fer</A=
> </DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-str=
etch: normal"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org href=3D"ma=
ilto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow ymailto=
=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> <=
/DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretc=
h: normal"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 12, 2011 11:57 PM</DIV>=0A<DIV style=
=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subj=
ect:</B> Re: LF: ZEVS tonight.jpg</DIV>=0A<DIV><BR></DIV>Eddie, <BR><BR>Whe=
re in France will you be? http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/ :-)<BR>Will you be =
RX QRV on LF/VLF? If you are in the south, this would be an interesting reg=
ion. Unfortunately there is nothing yet from Spain on VLF...<BR><BR>QRN wil=
l be high i assume so maybe it wouldn't be easy. Anyway iz would be worth a=
 try. BTW i just checked for wind and the next weekend looks promising so f=
ar. If it will hold on, i'll try a kite VLF experiment but still much can c=
hange until then...<BR><BR>73, Stefan/DK7FC<BR><BR><BR><BR>Am 12.06.2011 23=
:27, schrieb qrss: =0A<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">Hello Nicolas<BR><BR>Yes al=
most 100% transmissions at 0800 and 1700UTC.<BR><BR>Each data element is 4m=
in&nbsp; and there are 6 of those plus 'start' and 'space' makes 8 total, 3=
2 minutes then the final long carrier 'stop' is 1 Hour.<BR><BR>Good luck wi=
th the antenna, yes urban noise is the big problem. Soon I will come to Fra=
nce to try some really quiet places, I look forward to that.<BR><BR>73 Eddi=
e G3ZJO<BR><BR>On 12/06/2011 21:34, <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated hre=
f=3D"mailto:F4DTL@aol.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow ymailto=3D"mailto=
:F4DTL@aol.com">F4DTL@aol.com</A> wrote: =0A<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><FONT=
 id=3Drole_document face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2>=0A<DIV>Henny, Ed=
dy beautifull captures.</DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV>It's every day at =
the same hour ? 0800 and 1700 UTC ?</DIV>=0A<DIV>How long the ZVES transmis=
sions ?</DIV>=0A<DIV>I built an new VLF antenna and I'll start soon recepti=
ons.I would be&nbsp;in campaign to reduce urban noise.</DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;<=
/DIV>=0A<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2 family=3D"SANSSERIF"><B>F4DTL Nico=
las JN18FP<BR>http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/</B></FONT></DIV></FONT></BL=
OCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUO=
TE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV></div></=
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