Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2F4BB38000114; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QZ1HB-0004H4-Ep for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 14:45:57 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QZ1HB-0004Gv-1K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 14:45:57 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QZ1H9-0004lz-Lh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 14:45:57 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjICAEWgAE5cGSK0/2dsb2JhbAAMSJgd2HSGKgSWZYsI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,401,1304290800"; d="scan'208";a="503589378" Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.2.2]) ([92.25.34.180]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 21 Jun 2011 14:45:34 +0100 Message-ID: <4E00A07C.1010203@talktalk.net> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 14:45:32 +0100 From: qrss User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01cb5a7a$44cfcc50$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf><4C1A271605FB0B62@smtp208.alice.it><4C9A8CC5.30305@gmx.com><4C9B3FCE.5080700@gmx.com> <7C83B6E4275F422A83872B7E0134B689@Hugh> In-Reply-To: <7C83B6E4275F422A83872B7E0134B689@Hugh> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: PA0RDT polarisation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:454489056:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41194e00a0d779d0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Hugh Let me get in before the experts and we can maybe all learn some more. Polarisation is vertical, its a capacitive probe. Like all antennas it needs an earth or a counterpoise etc. Two identical PCB patches could be used as a dipole. As designed, yes, it uses the coax which can be earthed, I think the design details show it earthed prior to entering the shack. The coax picking up signals is true, again I think the design shows an isolating transformer. Positioning of an E-Probe for best performance is a case of much experimentation. 73 Eddie G3ZJO On 21/06/2011 13:59, Hugh_m0wye wrote: > Hello Group, > My apologies if this topic has already been covered, but I have > trawled back > through many LF E-mails and can't find any discussion of it. > I have been persuaded to build a PA0RDT miniwhip by Chris G4AYT, and I am > most impressed by its performance so far. > It is not yet in an ideal location, but the weather has not been > brilliant > for out-door activities ... > > My question is what is its polarisation ? And leading on from that > what is > it acting "against"? > I have reaad that it is an E-field probe, but I assume that an E-field > probe > is just a very short dipole. > So if the patch of pcb is one arm of the dipole, is the rest of the > circuit > board and the feed cable the other half of the dipole, and so does > this then > form part of the antenna ? In which case the instruction to place the > antenna outside the building is rather a strange one, as the coax feeder > would also be receiving signals right back to the radio in the shack. > > I tried moving the coax around while the antenna was fixed, and it didn't > seem to have much effect on reception. > I would guess that when the antenna is mouted as described that it is > most > sensitive to vertically polarised signals - but I don't think I have seen > that written down anywhere. > > Your thoughts on this would be much appreciated - (or perhaps someone > could > point me to where the discussion has already been archived :-) > 73 > Hugh M0WYE > > > >