Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id ED79638000086; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QXZOh-0007z9-5l for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:47:43 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QXZOg-0007yz-Kt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:47:42 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QXZOe-0008L4-I6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:47:42 +0100 Received: from home100.df3lp.de (p548D4764.dip.t-dialin.net [84.141.71.100]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Mh6n3-1QBD9T2G0X-00N4xU; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 15:47:34 +0200 Message-ID: <4DFB5AEB.70607@legal-medicine.de> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 15:47:23 +0200 From: pws User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101026 SUSE/3.0.10 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4DF8A827.9070106@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <01a101cc2c6a$8c31a100$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <4DFA78BC.1020106@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4DFA78BC.1020106@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:S6mea+lhc2L845UQadVstnRZsPBWBb7l9DBVR9lbIL0 Lbjxfsetq27AePxaX0x4BgLxincrdPsfQW0yS9q52tiz0/nDfo rE25w49IIMYfKK3gLZkEW5oUqqH4JXRJb+sTKtl1M1tF7Yc1mF mnx399ARa1ajC+XNvWuWwuMBV7oZW4KmjVVJHRez5htWIawFnz DTsBQYFaZMB4i5dBEAB+BSm4xptHSoEXm4S4lKJ4Q0= X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: LF: Re: LF RX loop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:333036640:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40c94dfb5b5a2008 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Stefan, You wrote: > ... > I found the Q of the > loop is just 8! Is this normal? Which Q do others achieve, with a > similar antenna for 137 kHz? > ... Confirming your findings. In the late 90th I built a 2m-loop from 1" coax ("Flexwell") for nulling out Loran-C splatter. I remember a bandwidth of ~12-15 kHz => Q ~= 10 with 8.2uH/165nF. http://www.qsl.net/df3lp/projects/lfloop/index.html > ... > It is fascinating to null out s signal, which i have done the first > time now. I can reduce the signal of DCF39 by 25 dB by turning the > loop... That's somewhat different to what could be found here. I observed very sharp Nulls well >40dB below main lobes. May be due do the orthodox "screened" design including the usual gap. But as you suggested that's only true for pure groundwave reception. At VLF I'm observing the deepest null of DHO38 (~200km; noon) at ~30deg. of elevation. Good luck for tomorrow, Peter, df3lp