Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.202]) by air-mc06.mail.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILINMC062-a9744df248e618d; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:40:07 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 44EF5380000BD; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QV4jB-0007Jx-Ue for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 17:38:33 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QV4jB-0007Jo-9p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 17:38:33 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QV4j9-0006e4-JP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 17:38:33 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p5AGcT1m017545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 10 Jun 2011 18:38:30 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id p5AGcTsd026838; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 18:38:29 +0200 Message-ID: <4DF24806.7030508@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 18:36:22 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: Paul , Bernd Grupe References: <4DF11A78.4020401@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <001901cc2743$81695dc0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4DF207EF.5060700@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <003801cc276e$63c6f1d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <003801cc276e$63c6f1d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id p5AGcT1m017545 X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: Re: First tests on VLF at DK7FC in Heidelberg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ca4df248e44a97 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) After a break i am back on air in this moment transmitting a long=20 carrier. The signal generator is the DDS VFO, so stability is not=20 perfect but should be suitable for 424 uHz i hope. It is a very first test. When using the antenna wire with maximum L i currently have available,=20 the resonance is at 9.64 kHz, not to far away. I built a capacitor out=20 of 2 aluminium plates and 2 coca cola bottles and come to resonance now=20 on 8970 Hz. Before is used the bottles, i used stones. But they became=20 HOT and later there was a black hole into them sparking around! These=20 losses reduced the antenna power to less than 200 mA. Now i have about=20 500 mA antenna current and will transmit a longer dash until i see some=20 traces on the grabbers, hopefully. When running the system without external addional C, so on 9.64 kHz, i=20 am getting 360 mA antenna current at 80 W PA input power. The coil=20 losses are 320 Ohm so the sourrounding losses seem to be about 300 Ohm=20 which is not to much, thinking about trees and buildings... Now, i'll TX for some time, maybe 2 hours ort so. Any reports so far? 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 10.06.2011 15:00, schrieb mal hamilton: > Stefan > My monitor is running/Speclab dfcw600 es Antenna 150 metre inv L up over = 33 > metres vertical. Condx all bands Good at present > > de mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" > To: > Cc: "Paul"; "Bernd Grupe" > > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 1:02 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: First tests on VLF at DK7FC in Heidelberg > > > Hello Mal, VLF, > > OK, i am actually RX QRV on LF all the time here. And i have internet > during the test! :-) > > Now, the coil is on the roof and it's dry. I will prepare now... Maybe > the first VLF antenna current in a 20 minutes... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > Am 10.06.2011 09:53, schrieb mal hamilton: > =20 >> Stefan >> I will leave my monitor on 8970 DFCW 600 mode. If I detect your signal I >> will reply on 137.7 CW or QRS3. >> 73 De Mal/G3KEV >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" >> To: >> Cc: "Paul"; "Bernd Grupe" >> >> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 8:09 PM >> Subject: VLF: First tests on VLF at DK7FC in Heidelberg >> >> >> >> =20 >>> VLF, >>> >>> Tomorrow i plan to do first tests on 8970 Hz on my fixed antenna in >>> Heidelberg, >>> http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=3DJN49IK00WG&from=3Djn49ik00WD It is = about >>> 30m up. >>> >>> I'll start doing some resonating tests and may come on air in the >>> afternoon. The small PA (max. 300W) will be used in this first test >>> since it is easier to manage. Maybe the resonance will be some kHz >>> higher but i hope to come down into the Dreamers Band (TM). >>> >>> I expect to be visible on "local" grabbers like DF6NM, OE3GHB and >>> OK2BVG. If all works well i plan to transmit a longer dash, maybe 6000 >>> seconds and later a short message in DFCW-600, like "K" or so, just for >>> the proof and to get a first impression about the efficiency of this >>> antenna. >>> >>> I had the idea to buy some flexible aluminium tube to form a toroid tha= t >>> will be placed on the top of the coil. Tis reduces the maximum E field >>> and adds some C, that might be needed to come down to 8970 Hz... >>> >>> Of course all this depends on the absence of rain but now i don't need >>> wind! Therefore, the signals will be about 20 dB lower, probably. >>> >>> The signal will be overload my grabber >>> http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber.html >>> that is in about 20 m (!) distance. Hopefully it gets not damaged due t= o >>> several 10 kV on the wire. >>> >>> Is there someone who will watch for that signal? >>> >>> Reports would be very apprechiated! >>> >>> 73, CU, Stefan/DK7FC >>> >>> >>> =20 >> =20 > > =20