Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dk04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.180.8]) by air-mc06.mail.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILINMC061-a96f4dbd997667; Sun, 01 May 2011 13:33:42 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3E36A3800008B; Sun, 1 May 2011 13:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QGaVo-0003Jc-75 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2011 18:32:52 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QGaVn-0003JT-MR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2011 18:32:51 +0100 Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com ([74.125.82.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QGaVl-0003Zi-F7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2011 18:32:51 +0100 Received: by wwk4 with SMTP id 4so5382594wwk.28 for ; Sun, 01 May 2011 10:32:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer :in-reply-to:message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding :mime-version; bh=6ozMRR7Af+/IftuT7ZOvQC0wFpRqfHmigGZKMBnpqNQ=; b=wXuuuzAAD4OBHtZYV7P+xtEZ6S1ItAOlflHDc+WIOy23AU+pOaRCybkQRKgvtCAQfM jXFjLujiWQ/cIsUa4i+tEdg9QzB1jO2G2DsvCRmxWEukbB2i2rZJB99bYgHgQN0F5nzW UfIGHfhie/C3GOz87nyG9c6Vv22vqKEcuJ/sQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; b=eZshE/C0DQsJez6n5LHZQJ0dfZBCi4hfGYJl1Px0iQyxE+NdWy3TmcWNDcIvXEHlYC OiT4DPo7gCPDgbvVx6mkjvqqrvZpD01oABIhH7DWcVZeXtv6d+3QZUdUUMNV8poju9RV tfgnzBEssqd5719PCexcCbPfw9VnR/iQvqdNk= Received: by 10.227.196.143 with SMTP id eg15mr1690340wbb.107.1304271163298; Sun, 01 May 2011 10:32:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (cpc3-cmbg14-0-0-cust445.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com [213.106.93.190]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e13sm2906026wbi.57.2011.05.01.10.32.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 01 May 2011 10:32:42 -0700 (PDT) References: <005b01cc0824$ba88e3c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: Roger Lapthorn X-Mailer: iPod Mail (8F190) In-Reply-To: <005b01cc0824$ba88e3c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 18:33:18 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 8F190) DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 325km with the QRPp QRSS30 beacon Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--453513660 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=BE_AMAZED,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d020.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4084dbd99734587 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --Apple-Mail-1--453513660 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mal The frequency is precisely the same as measured by G3WCB and the periodici= ty (shown on Henny's full screen grab) matches exactly the QRSS30 sequence= I was using. Maybe just 3dB more and we'd have full ID of the callsign wh= ich would be great.=20 73s Roger G3XBM Via my 2.4GHz handheld (iPod Touch 4g) On 1 May 2011, at 18:25, "mal hamilton" wrote: > If it was not fully readable how did he know it was you ? > g3kev > =20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roger Lapthorn > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 6:05 PM > Subject: LF: 325km with the QRPp QRSS30 beacon >=20 > "Because of the extremely low antenna efficiencies, 136kHz is not a band= for low power transmitters" - a quote from page 67 of "LF Today", the exc= ellent book by G3XDV and M0BMU. >=20 > Henny PA3CPM has sent me a screen shot taken this morning that shows my= signal reaching him in Holland. Just a few dB more would make quite a dif= ference and make the signal fully readable. I am very grateful to Henny (a= nd others) for working so hard to find me. >=20 > I continue to be amazed, and really pleased, that something this simple= (2.4W RF, 50uW ERP, QRPp beacon TX and a simple thin wire loop antenna)= can be detected so far away, although I know others have done far better.= Of course, I accept it would not be possible without the signal processi= ng available to us on the RX end and the skill of those like Henny winklin= g out the signal from the noise.=20 >=20 > ....but maybe in the next edition of the book, the words should be chang= ed? :-)=20 >=20 > 73s > Roger G3XBM >=20 >=20 > --=20 > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm > https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ >=20 --Apple-Mail-1--453513660 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Mal

The frequency is precisely the same as measured by G3WCB and the periodicity (shown on Henny's full screen grab) matches exactly the QRSS30 sequence I was using. Maybe just 3dB more and we'd have full ID of the callsign which would be great. 

73s
Roger G3XBM

Via my 2.4GHz handheld (iPod Touch 4g)

On 1 May 2011, at 18:25, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

If it was not fully readable how did he know it was you ?
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 6:05 PM
Subject: LF: 325km with the QRPp QRSS30 beacon

"Because of the extremely low antenna efficiencies, 136kHz is not a band for low power transmitters" - a quote from page 67 of "LF Today", the excellent book by G3XDV and M0BMU.

Henny PA3CPM has sent me a screen shot taken this morning that shows my signal reaching him in Holland. Just a few dB more would make quite a difference and make the signal fully readable. I am very grateful to Henny (and others) for working so hard to find me.

I continue to be amazed, and really pleased, that something this simple (2.4W RF, 50uW ERP, QRPp beacon TX and a simple thin wire loop antenna) can be detected so far away, although I know others have done far better.  Of course, I accept it would not be possible without the signal processing available to us on the RX end and the skill of those like Henny winkling out the signal from the noise.

....but maybe in the next edition of the book, the words should be changed? :-)

73s
Roger G3XBM


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