Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mj02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mj02.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.86]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILINMD034-8b7f4dc1c72d37d; Wed, 04 May 2011 17:37:49 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mj02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 56945380000AC; Wed, 4 May 2011 17:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QHjkO-0000jm-Bx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 May 2011 22:36:40 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QHjkN-0000jd-Mu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 May 2011 22:36:39 +0100 Received: from mail-iw0-f171.google.com ([209.85.214.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QHjkK-0003H7-Bh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 May 2011 22:36:39 +0100 Received: by iwn8 with SMTP id 8so2042054iwn.16 for ; Wed, 04 May 2011 14:36:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=NxmzR5RpRLDp4yY68qX+bIn7+eoQhuna8r66RhI4ik4=; b=eswJljwOcFxPVm0rVnTtysDMMU9DEdtSXPHUYWXmhfabwLr9BeAFsMWW6K+HxOW4SU 7hGCtclN0NAhIiPgEZWQj5lvJH6QYFRZGw8nf8wNPrUSk9iMqNmrzkDesHn6JktFtRGR Gv+AZkvO6o0NUTZm3jH6SZxwqK8rNr1ueu15Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=j5/NBljpyQLNJrBeCz+P8utl1ZbCs6g5sdnWzeEMl71Oowh1dJq+H1wnCidCKEQCYA epDH2mJRmKxCRSq0C5450CvaKe7FsnoeIrywEtbZjAJPnjnYupzePeR/0EbDQws1Ph00 95CtHoLb2rsU1YE0IZ+bKuyXu2omxZi1t2/Oc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.170.8 with SMTP id d8mr2556447icz.113.1304544989612; Wed, 04 May 2011 14:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.221.133 with HTTP; Wed, 4 May 2011 14:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 22:36:29 +0100 Message-ID: From: Roger Lapthorn To: g3kevmal@talktalk.net, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 2.1 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: LF/MF QRO/QRP Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8cb4b308db04a27a0c8e X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d025.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039400c89a44dc1c71c75a1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --90e6ba6e8cb4b308db04a27a0c8e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear Mal With your QRO on the LF and MF bands and your fine antenna set-up you are able to work some impressive DX and set some great records; that's great for you. But why can't you understand, and respect, that some of us seek different challenges in the hobby that are equally valid? Mine own fun is seeing what can be done with low power (5W or less) from the PA. On the HF bands this has netted me well over 100 DXCC on SSB (and on CW) with small "back yard" antennas never bigger than a wire dipole. Even on 6m I've worked across the Atlantic with around 2.5W ERP a few summers back and I've lost count of the countries and QTH squares worked on 6m and up. QRP does actually get results, and frequently these are two-way QRP contacts with simple homemade gear. Now, in the last couple of years I wanted to test the practical limits of 5W from the PA to modest "small garden" antennas on the LF and MF bands too. Yes, getting DX results on these bands is a lot harder and I am indeed thankful to good stations and modern digital techniques to help. But finding out by experiment that a very modest, low ERP, LF/MF station can indeed span hundreds of miles is every bit as valid as working transatlantic DX with QRO and huge antennas, fun though this must be. On VLF there is little doubt that power counts and one of the reasons I have kept to earth mode experiments so far is that I do not really want to TX with high power or to extensive antennas that are unlikely to be neighbour accepted. All I ask is that you enjoy the hobby your way and that you let others do the same their way, with mutual respect. So please, no more silly childish jibing and let us ALL enjoy the hobby together. We cannot afford to put off people keen to experiment at LF whether QRO or QRP. 73s Roger G3XBM -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ --90e6ba6e8cb4b308db04a27a0c8e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Mal

With your QRO on the LF and MF bands and your fine antenna= set-up you are able to work some impressive DX and set some great records= ; that's great for you.=A0 But why can't you understand, and respe= ct, that some of us seek different challenges in the hobby that are equall= y valid?

Mine own fun is seeing what can be done with low power (5W or less)=A0= from the PA. On the HF bands this has netted me well over 100 DXCC on SSB= (and on CW) with small "back yard" antennas never bigger than= a wire dipole. Even on 6m I've worked across the Atlantic with around= 2.5W ERP a few summers back and I've lost count of the countries and= QTH squares worked on 6m and up. QRP does actually get results, and frequ= ently these are two-way QRP contacts with simple homemade gear.

Now, in the last couple of years I wanted to test the practical limits= of 5W from the PA to modest "small garden" antennas on the LF= and MF bands too. Yes, getting DX results on these bands is a lot harder= and I am indeed thankful to good stations and modern digital techniques= to help. But finding out by experiment that a very modest, low ERP, LF/MF= station can indeed span hundreds of miles is every bit as valid as workin= g transatlantic DX with QRO and huge antennas, fun though this must be. On= VLF there is little doubt that power counts and one of the reasons I have= kept to earth mode experiments so far is that I do not really want to TX= with high power or to extensive antennas that are unlikely to be neighbou= r accepted.

All I ask is that you enjoy the hobby your way and that you let others= do the same their way, with mutual respect. So please, no more silly chil= dish jibing and let us ALL enjoy the hobby together. We cannot afford to= put off people keen to experiment at LF whether QRO or QRP.

73s
Roger G3XBM




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