Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.202]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILINMB074-a7a84ddec8431cc; Thu, 26 May 2011 17:38:11 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 199DB380000B5; Thu, 26 May 2011 17:38:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QPiEK-0003mj-3X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2011 22:36:32 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QPiEJ-0003ma-2g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2011 22:36:31 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QPiEG-0000G6-Rx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2011 22:36:30 +0100 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (cyrus-portal.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.176]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p4QLaR0T023842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 26 May 2011 23:36:27 +0200 Received: from extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.140]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p4QLaRBB021275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 26 May 2011 23:36:27 +0200 Received: from [129.206.205.78] (vpn205-078.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.205.78]) by extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p4QLaNgf013569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 26 May 2011 23:36:26 +0200 Message-ID: <4DDEC7E5.8040704@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 23:36:37 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100711 Thunderbird/3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4DDE4CB5.4040803@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <007401cc1bb2$05c161f0$4001a8c0@lark> In-Reply-To: <007401cc1bb2$05c161f0$4001a8c0@lark> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id p4QLaR0T023842 X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 137 kHz groundwave Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ca4ddec84107ce X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) LF, THanks for all comments! PA0A gets visible now in YO. I'm on a short trip in south Spain this weekend, cuagn on monday. Have a bice weekend. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 26.05.2011 16:31, schrieb Alan Melia: > Hi Stefan it may be daytime but both of those paths will be skywave even= in > daytime at your power levels. Skywave and groundwave are about the same > starength at about 700km acording to all the papers. Dont forget the > waterfals are very non-linear it only takes about 3dB change in signal > strength to go from T to O+++, also you are seeing S/N which may be high= er > in 4X4 although I got a rumble overhead a few minites ago and the rain= was > horizontal. > > Alan G3NYK > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 1:51 PM > Subject: LF: 137 kHz groundwave > > > =20 >> LF, >> >> I just sent some CQ calls on 137.71 kHz and saw the signal at about the >> same strength on the G4WGT grabber in 910 km, O copy. But there is no >> trace at all on the YO/4X1RF grabber in 1426 km (in QRSS-10). The 137 >> kHz groundwave seems to "stop" somewhere between these distances, maybe >> arround 1000km. >> I'm sure some of you have some better theoretical and/or practical >> experience about that? >> Another advantage of VLF,where it's "easy" to reach 2500 km and above >> anytime :-) >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> =20 > =20