Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.85]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILINMB031-a2144dc95e16175; Tue, 10 May 2011 11:47:34 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8F12A3800016E; Tue, 10 May 2011 11:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QJp8D-0000MX-Kh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 May 2011 16:45:53 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QJp8D-0000MO-2r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 May 2011 16:45:53 +0100 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([195.4.92.91]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QJp8C-0001oi-H1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 May 2011 16:45:53 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.20] (helo=10.mx.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.72 #5) id 1QJp8B-0000J5-Fy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 May 2011 17:45:51 +0200 Received: from blfd-4db0eaa1.pool.mediaways.net ([77.176.234.161]:1370 helo=[192.168.0.101]) by 10.mx.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (port 465) (Exim 4.72 #3) id 1QJp8B-0006g0-2H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 May 2011 17:45:51 +0200 Message-ID: <4DC95DAD.4050302@freenet.de> Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 17:45:49 +0200 From: wolf_dl4yhf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4DC572F2.9050003@telus.net> <4DC5AB0F.4090507@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4DC85118.6060408@freenet.de> <4DC90515.5010203@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <002d01cc0efc$28f4c8a0$4001a8c0@lark> <4DC91E37.6030406@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <8CDDD31928FFEDD-DC8-61A7@webmail-d136.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CDDD31928FFEDD-DC8-61A7@webmail-d136.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: Spectrum Lab Filtering... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020603080506010407020907" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40554dc95e147acc X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------020603080506010407020907 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Markus and group, Am 10.05.2011 15:59, schrieb Markus Vester: > Hi there, > I think Wolf's idea is to lock to 1 pps pulses from the GPS, and use > the NMEA data to uniquely identify the second of each pulse. This will > allow SpecLab to brigde data outages or sound buffer overflows on > receive. Exactly, that's one of the motivations. You will need a GPS receiver with NMEA *and* sync pulse ("pps") output. Both signals are added with a passive combiner, fed into the soundcard, and the software does the rest. The timing jitter for the NMEA strings doesn't matter at all. Markus wrote: > I do not know if that technique could be used to stabilize sound > output for transmitting as well. One would probably have to monitor > the output, and then apply phase corrections if necessary. Yes, the problem will be the unknown, and possibly not constant 'output latency' of the soundcard, and its driver software. Cheers, Wolf . --------------020603080506010407020907 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Markus and group,

Am 10.05.2011 15:59, schrieb Markus Vester:
Hi there,
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I think Wolf's idea is to=C2=A0lock to 1 pps pulses from the GPS, and use the NMEA data to uniquely identify=C2=A0the second= of each pulse. This will allow=C2=A0SpecLab to brigde=C2=A0data out= ages or sound buffer overflows on receive.
Exactly, that's one of the motivations. You will need a GPS receiver with NMEA *and* sync pulse ("pps") output. Both signals are added with a passive combiner, fed into the soundcard, and the software does the rest. The timing jitter for the NMEA strings doesn't matter at all.

Markus wrote:
I do not know=C2=A0if that technique could be=C2=A0used to stabilize=C2=A0sound output=C2=A0for transmitting as well. One= would probably have to monitor the output, and then apply phase corrections if necessary.

Yes, the problem will be the unknown, and possibly not constant 'output latency' of the soundcard, and its driver software.

Cheers,
=C2=A0=C2=A0 Wolf .

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