Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.143]) by air-dc10.mail.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILINDC101-86064dc7f73a30f; Mon, 09 May 2011 10:16:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 952C938000137; Mon, 9 May 2011 10:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QJREZ-0004xW-4h for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 May 2011 15:14:51 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QJREY-0004xN-CF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 May 2011 15:14:50 +0100 Received: from nm21.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.91.91]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QJREW-0000t8-5f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 May 2011 15:14:50 +0100 Received: from [98.139.91.62] by nm21.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2011 14:14:40 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.17] by tm2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2011 14:14:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2011 14:14:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 576761.79184.bm@omp1017.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 17461 invoked by uid 60001); 9 May 2011 14:14:40 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1304950480; bh=+xPtI8j9bs16aVfTY+IzV3YbXoK0f5TJAiuMcdh7Kwg=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SuimDR0cZDcpkTaGlWneQz4qwJEG3LsbZnEJhWVuBKcnn1vZCETe91NMbKqjN5IVrjWpwALVe15W9k7nQWeU8hFCa/1Z1WH7F7ABQkIQIMq14qFKgZuOHH/cdfTqfxh3a5tgV41SVGnq4XNw8lb7JywhUnkaf2R/w3gB8cza1ME= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kW9AD/aqJIEG3SgIMqQ5fnFCPQUAcH4gAXLeRUkeLsC+Sudevi7l01xdpcZz53FxMT33GjuGAwL+ORLJ4dpS3TKDPADP5ewbS/Yz1/sfDyQUK6JmYFYfSiOOK19aILEM75BGlncfCYdW5VCNxGUlW896aDBAbmsE/Nc/IgcG1YI=; Message-ID: <15056.86630.qm@web111918.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: gBHSD0sVM1k76CIlrNVmKJY7rYHaOaa2CW9kK_uHDs2b8it Yz4DS3F2Ghmcx1wWRcZwKKp66c3PHqZmO3HL_jJLpzGJuof._I7cr1ikWjYw jxlirt1YYR5FG0QpwgoZPBaZnK2t3iILmx7PIz_1_vKKx7u7bGbK30qnMkjJ 10jbBRZBMuJHnaGqwAGzWRefyJ5vPKVTclVOsjbGjvWjnHLQCWNs7InAOAiR dbMtz6F1B5GzReWgpGW_fAPFnnTTocF4TWVITRRFAHY69jbAmIwqkBwPOvRb 17Hp5LQeg3bTI7Ejve_pajYp14g7JIPmms0_Ztwv.vVJgiTNIMmzZ_QTWdu9 cMdC0eVpBgAXWwK4L7XTfLMQMK77cCnPlfEVLj8Px0LiKAyS2u.34Jy1YrT0 zcA-- Received: from [151.99.187.181] by web111918.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 May 2011 07:14:39 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/559 YahooMailWebService/0.8.110.299900 References: <750881.73598.qm@web111920.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DC7C7C0.5030905@talktalk.net> <4DC7EEA4.8020401@talktalk.net> Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 07:14:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniele Tincani To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4DC7EEA4.8020401@talktalk.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: VLF: OT - 11.7 Hz signal and multiples Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-783428935-1304950479=:86630" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d012.2 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408f4dc7f7361112 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --0-783428935-1304950479=:86630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's just fantastic! Now to solve my problem with 11.7 and harmonics I only need to choose betw= een=20 morphine and a clean-shaven nose (or both). 73 D. ________________________________ From: qrss To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 3:39:48 PM Subject: Re: VLF: OT - 11.7 Hz signal and multiples Sorry about this post folks. Google throws up some wonderful facts. It's= a=20 little quite today too. 11.7Hz is the natural normal beat frequency of the hairs up your nose, pro= viding=20 you do not ingest morphine, in which case they slow down. Daniele do you have a very hairy nose? Eddie On 09/05/2011 11:53, qrss wrote:=20 Hi Daniele > >I have tried 3 computer fans outside near the E-Probe 2 old,1 new and see= no=20 >interference, not conclusive of course because they may not have Analog= Devices=20 >controllers. > >73 Eddie > >On 09/05/2011 10:36, Daniele Tincani wrote:=20 >I have found that a PWM Fan Controller (like the ADM1031 from Analog Devi= ces)=20 >can use 11.7 Hz as the PWM frequency driving the fan. I suspect that in= my case=20 >the 11.7 Hz signal come from inside my PC. >>Regards >>Daniele >> >> >> ________________________________ From: Daniele Tincani >>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 11:12:13 AM >>Subject: Re: ELF: ZEVS transmitting from 0800UTC >> >> >>Hi Eddie, >>I didn't realize you are the author of the web page that I mentioned in= my=20 >>message below :-) >>My compliments also=A0for the very nice grabber page. >>Regards >>D. >> >> >> >> ________________________________ From: qrss >>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 10:45:21 AM >>Subject: Re: ELF: ZEVS transmitting from 0800UTC >> >>Hi Daniele / Chris et al >> >>I will take a good look at=A0 the ZEVS breakfast code in moment, I have= a burst of=20 >>noise covering the start bit. >> >>OK on the 11.7Hz Daniele, I will take a close look there too to try and= =20 >>establish if it is a received signal. These cariers are too stable to be= from=20 >>local devices I think. >> >>73 Eddie G3ZJO >> >> >> >> >> >>On 09/05/2011 09:30, Daniele Tincani wrote:=20 >>Hello Chris, >>> >>>I have no doubt that that 11.7Hz-spaced lines=A0on my SpecLab screen=A0= have a local=20 >>>origin. I am just curious about their source. >>> >>>Following web page http://g3zjo-radio.blog.co.uk/=A0mentions 11.7Hz as= one of ELF=20 >>>carriers visibile at the author's location ("At my urban location there= are=20 >>>several carriers visible, 5.9Hz,8.8Hz,11.7Hz,16Hz, 23Hz and 32Hz") but= it does=20 >>>not tell anything about the possible origin. >>> >>>Regards >>>D. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ From: Chris Dillon >>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 10:17:22 AM >>>Subject: ELF: ZEVS transmitting from 0800UTC >>> >>>Hi all - ZEVS transmitting on schedule from 0800 UTC this morning.=20 >>> >>>Eddie, Daniele - I don't have an 80Hz carrier here at IO92vf. I'll look= out for=20 >>>the others.=20 >>> >>> >>>Chris=20 >>> >>> >>>On 08/05/2011 23:52, qrss wrote:=20 >>>Sorry Daniele no idea 1.7Hz and multiples. >>>> >>>>Both Stefan and I have an 80Hz constant carrier, I am also pretty sure= about=20 >>>>16Hz 32Hz and 64Hz being received signals. >>>>Perhaps the growing band of listeners can confirm these as also receiv= ed=20 >>>>elsewhere. >>>> >>>>Eddie >>>> >>>>On 08/05/2011 23:40, Daniele Tincani wrote:=20 >>>>I see a constant trace at 82Hz, but it appears to be 7 x 11.7Hz, as I= see other=20 >>>>similar traces at 6 x 11.7Hz (70.28Hz) and 8 x 11.7Hz (93.72Hz), etc.= Does=20 >>>>anyone know about a possible origin of these 11.7Hz-spaced carriers (o= r=20 >>>>harmonics)? >>>>>Regards >>>>>Daniele >>> >> > --0-783428935-1304950479=:86630 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That's just fantastic!
Now to solve my problem with 11.7 and harmonics I only need to choose= between morphine and a clean-shaven nose (or both).
73
D.
=
From: qrss <qrss@talkta= lk.net>
To: rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org
Sent:<= /B> Mon, May 9, 2011 3:39:48 PM
Su= bject: Re: VLF: OT - 11.7 Hz signal and multiples
Sorry about this post folks. Google throws up some wonderful facts. It's= a little quite today too.

11.7Hz is the natural normal beat freque= ncy of the hairs up your nose, providing you do not ingest morphine, in wh= ich case they slow down.
Daniele do you have a very hairy nose?

= Eddie

On 09/05/2011 11:53, qrss wrote:=20
Hi Daniele

I have tried 3 computer fans= outside near the E-Probe 2 old,1 new and see no interference, not conclus= ive of course because they may not have Analog Devices controllers.
73 Eddie

On 09/05/2011 10:36, Daniele Tincani wrote:=20
I have found that a PWM Fan Controller (like the ADM1031 from Analog= Devices) can use 11.7 Hz as the PWM frequency driving the fan. I suspect= that in my case the 11.7 Hz signal come from inside my PC.
Regards
Daniele
=
From: Daniele Tincani &= lt;danieletincani@yahoo.com>
rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 11:12:13 AM=
Subject: Re: ELF: ZEVS= transmitting from 0800UTC

Hi Eddie,
I didn't realize you are the author of the web page that I mentioned= in my message below :-)
My compliments also for the very nice grabber page.
Regards
D.
=
From: qrss <qrss@talktalk.net>
To: rsgb_= lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent:<= /SPAN> Mon, May 9, 2011 10:45:21 AM
Subject: Re: ELF: ZEVS transmitting from 0800UTC

Hi Daniele / Chris et al

I will take a good look at  th= e ZEVS breakfast code in moment, I have a burst of noise covering the star= t bit.

OK on the 11.7Hz Daniele, I will take a close look there too= to try and establish if it is a received signal. These cariers are too st= able to be from local devices I think.

73 Eddie G3ZJO





On 09/05/2011 09:30,= Daniele Tincani wrote:=20
Hello Chris,
 
I have no doubt that that 11.7Hz-spaced lines on my SpecLab scre= en have a local origin. I am just curious about their source.
 
Following web page http://g3zjo-radio.b= log.co.uk/ mentions 11.7Hz as one of ELF carriers visibile at the= author's location ("At my urban location there are several carriers= visible, 5.9Hz,8.8Hz,11.7Hz,16Hz, 23Hz and 32Hz")= but it does not tell anything about the possible origin.
 
Regards
D.

=
From: Chris Dillon <c= .r.dillon@dsl.pipex.com>
To= : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 10:17:22 AM
<= B>Subject: ELF: ZEVS transmit= ting from 0800UTC

Hi all - ZEVS transmitting on schedule fro= m 0800 UTC this morning.

Eddie, Daniele - I don't have an 80Hz car= rier here at IO92vf. I'll look out for the others.

Chris

<= BR>On 08/05/2011 23:52, qrss wrote:=20
Sorry Daniele no idea 1.7Hz and multiples.
Both Stefan and I have an 80Hz constant carrier, I am also pretty sure= about 16Hz 32Hz and 64Hz being received signals.
Perhaps the growing= band of listeners can confirm these as also received elsewhere.

Ed= die

On 08/05/2011 23:40, Daniele Tincani wrote:=20
I see a constant trace at 82Hz, but it appears to be 7 x 11.7Hz, as= I see other similar traces at 6 x 11.7Hz (70.28Hz) and 8 x 11.7Hz (93.72H= z), etc. Does anyone know about a possible origin of these 11.7Hz-spaced= carriers (or harmonics)?
Regards
Daniele





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