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Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 20:52:07 +0200
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Mal!

In the end it's up to you....weather you quit activity on LF or not.

Though I like some of your controversial opinions, I also do not agree
with all of them....this is what a discussion is about.

LF and the modes used as well as many other things in our lives have
changed recently. No matter if we appreciate or not....it is a fact!

There are some people around who are very active and they are putting a
lot of effort into their hobby as I do! So speaking about "no progress"
just does not seem right to me!=20



73 es gl
OE3GHB
Gerhard



Am Sonntag, den 22.05.2011, 18:44 +0100 schrieb mal hamilton:
> Stefan=20
> I am considering going QRT on LF.=20
> You cannot hear me on CW with 1w erp nor can you hear PA0A with 800
> watts/1w erp, I can hear you and others but the majority are on Beacon
> mode qsl via email,  and I only am interested in QSO mode, so there is
> no point me continuing to TX.
> I can work into i5 and OH winter or summer on cw so there is a problem
> with most operators currently on LF on RX mode, either receivers
> or Antennas are not adequate for the job. I have perfected my station
> TX/RX and Antennas but unfortunately others have made no progress over
> the past couple of years and the CW has got worse, if anything the
> norm is now QRP and qsl via email with no effort to engage in a QSO,
> also some are trying to promote WSPR unattended auto communications,
> where no skill is required and not for me.
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
> de mal/g3kev
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
>         ----- Original Message -----=20
>         From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20
>         To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
>         Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 3:04 PM
>         Subject: Re: LF: Re: LF CW center of activity??
>        =20
>        =20
>         Mal, LF,
>        =20
>         Am 22.05.2011 14:43, schrieb mal hamilton:=20
>         > Stefan es Co
>         > The procedure in the past was to use CW anywhere on the 137 kh=
z band and
>         > then Tune the band after a CQ for a reply, this is what I do=
 because
>         > everybody has their antenna resonated on a different frequency=
 and it avoids
>         > working off resonance, which is not recommended with HI Q ante=
nna systems
>         > and high power.
>         > 136.5 khz was used by those with the Ropex TX xtal controlled=
 on that
>         > frequency, then they would tune the band for replies for those=
 with VFO ctl,
>         > also avoid QRM.
>         >  =20
>         OK, tnx, info.
>         > In the beginning and for some years the only mode used was CW=
 then QRS was
>         > introduced and later Beacons.
>         > Since the introduction of QRS and Beacons the LF population ha=
s dropped from
>         > over 30 active countries and over 100 radio operators to virtu=
ally Nil at
>         > present.
>         >=20
>         Generate an optimistic view! You have a good station, so just
>         be QRV often and bring up some signals that can be received by
>         new upcoming stations.
>         Beacon transmissions are interesting (e.g. for watching the
>         QRN behaviour) and give some signals for those optimising
>         their RX and so on. But (i agree that) a real "CQ..." is
>         rather a motivation than just a suffix.
>         Since i am QRV again with a fixed antenna (and during the /p
>         activities) i got several emails from people receiving me, who
>         are not member of the reflector (probably) and still cannot
>         transmit. Usually people start receiving on LF, TXing comes
>         after that. If there is not even a ham generated signal that
>         can be received, why should people start to build a TX? If
>         there is some activity (maybe adding the locator sometimes, to
>         give the only-RX-stations some information about the
>         distance), new people may come up here.
>         A new active generation, this is what i want to work for!
>        =20
>         73,Stefan/DK7FC