Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dl02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dl02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.74.208]) by air-ma01.mail.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILINMA012-b4f04dd94c0e120; Sun, 22 May 2011 13:46:54 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E953A38000096; Sun, 22 May 2011 13:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QOCj6-0004Ck-Gc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 May 2011 18:46:04 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QOCj5-0004CT-VV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 May 2011 18:46:03 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QOCj3-0001Jn-Cp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 May 2011 18:46:03 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjABAIxK2U1cHYyT/2dsb2JhbACTToQWjjt4wyaGGQSCMZIsiio X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,252,1304290800"; d="scan'208,217";a="342275298" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.140.147]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 22 May 2011 18:44:54 +0100 Message-ID: <009001cc18a7$f43ec060$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <253986.40624.qm@web28510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4DD8F44E.4060801@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <006e01cc187d$e8701560$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4DD9180A.5060306@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 18:44:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: LF CW center of activity?? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008D_01CC18B0.55CC60F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad04dd94c0c1a7d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ------=_NextPart_000_008D_01CC18B0.55CC60F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan=20 I am considering going QRT on LF.=20 You cannot hear me on CW with 1w erp nor can you hear PA0A with 800 wa= tts/1w erp, I can hear you and others but the majority are on Beacon= mode qsl via email, and I only am interested in QSO mode, so there= is no point me continuing to TX. I can work into i5 and OH winter or summer on cw so there is a problem= with most operators currently on LF on RX mode, either receivers or= Antennas are not adequate for the job. I have perfected my station TX= /RX and Antennas but unfortunately others have made no progress over= the past couple of years and the CW has got worse, if anything the no= rm is now QRP and qsl via email with no effort to engage in a QSO, als= o some are trying to promote WSPR unattended auto communications, wher= e no skill is required and not for me. =20 de mal/g3kev =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 3:04 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: LF CW center of activity?? Mal, LF, Am 22.05.2011 14:43, schrieb mal hamilton:=20 Stefan es Co The procedure in the past was to use CW anywhere on the 137 khz band= and then Tune the band after a CQ for a reply, this is what I do because everybody has their antenna resonated on a different frequency and it= avoids working off resonance, which is not recommended with HI Q antenna syst= ems and high power. 136.5 khz was used by those with the Ropex TX xtal controlled on that frequency, then they would tune the band for replies for those with VF= O ctl, also avoid QRM. =20 OK, tnx, info. In the beginning and for some years the only mode used was CW then QRS= was introduced and later Beacons. Since the introduction of QRS and Beacons the LF population has droppe= d from over 30 active countries and over 100 radio operators to virtually Nil= at present. Generate an optimistic view! You have a good station, so just be QRV= often and bring up some signals that can be received by new upcoming= stations. Beacon transmissions are interesting (e.g. for watching the QRN beha= viour) and give some signals for those optimising their RX and so on.= But (i agree that) a real "CQ..." is rather a motivation than just a= suffix. Since i am QRV again with a fixed antenna (and during the /p activit= ies) i got several emails from people receiving me, who are not member= of the reflector (probably) and still cannot transmit. Usually people= start receiving on LF, TXing comes after that. If there is not even= a ham generated signal that can be received, why should people start= to build a TX? If there is some activity (maybe adding the locator so= metimes, to give the only-RX-stations some information about the dista= nce), new people may come up here. A new active generation, this is what i want to work for! 73,Stefan/DK7FC ------=_NextPart_000_008D_01CC18B0.55CC60F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stefan
I am considering going QRT on LF.
You cannot hear me on CW with 1w erp nor can= you=20 hear PA0A with 800 watts/1w erp, I can hear you and others= but the=20 majority are on Beacon mode qsl via email,  and I only am interes= ted in=20 QSO mode, so there is no point me continuing to TX.
I can work into i5 and OH winter or summer on= cw so there=20 is a problem with most operators currently on LF on RX mode, either re= ceivers=20 or Antennas are not adequate for the job. I have perfected my sta= tion TX/RX=20 and Antennas but unfortunately others have made no progress= over the=20 past couple of years and the CW has got worse, if anything the norm is= now QRP=20 and qsl via email with no effort to engage in a QSO, also some are try= ing to=20 promote WSPR unattended auto communications, where no skill is require= d and not=20 for me.
 
 
 
 
de mal/g3kev
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 3:= 04 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: LF CW ce= nter of=20 activity??

Mal, LF,

Am 22.05.2011 14:43, schrieb mal hami= lton:=20 
Stefan es Co
The procedure in the past was to use CW anywhere on the 137 khz band=
 and
then Tune the band after a CQ for a reply, this is what I do because
everybody has their antenna resonated on a different frequency and it=
 avoids
working off resonance, which is not recommended with HI Q antenna syst=
ems
and high power.
136.5 khz was used by those with the Ropex TX xtal controlled on that
frequency, then they would tune the band for replies for those with VF=
O ctl,
also avoid QRM.
OK, tnx, info.
In the beginning and for some years th=
e only mode used was CW then QRS was
introduced and later Beacons.
Since the introduction of QRS and Beacons the LF population has droppe=
d from
over 30 active countries and over 100 radio operators to virtually Nil=
 at
present.

Generate an optimistic view! You have= a good=20 station, so just be QRV often and bring up some signals that= can be=20 received by new upcoming stations.
Beacon transmissions are inter= esting=20 (e.g. for watching the QRN behaviour) and give some signals for thos= e=20 optimising their RX and so on. But (i agree that) a real "CQ..." is= rather a=20 motivation than just a suffix.
Since i am QRV again with a fixed= antenna=20 (and during the /p activities) i got several emails from people rece= iving me,=20 who are not member of the reflector (probably) and still cannot tran= smit.=20 Usually people start receiving on LF, TXing comes after that. If the= re is not=20 even a ham generated signal that can be received, why should people= start to=20 build a TX? If there is some activity (maybe adding the locator some= times, to=20 give the only-RX-stations some information about the distance), new= people may=20 come up here.
A new active generation, this is what i want to wor= k=20 for!

73,Stefan/DK7FC
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