Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mj05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mj05.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.89]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILINMB031-a2144dc25449153; Thu, 05 May 2011 03:39:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mj05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9B74638000084; Thu, 5 May 2011 03:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QHt7h-0001j9-Hg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 May 2011 08:37:21 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QHt7g-0001j0-QD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 May 2011 08:37:20 +0100 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QHt7e-0004a0-CY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 May 2011 08:37:20 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsIBAIVSwk1cHYeM/2dsb2JhbACUBAOECYM6ilh3xkqDOQGCTQSCJZFcg3aGFQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.64,318,1301871600"; d="scan'208,217";a="476569365" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.135.140]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 05 May 2011 08:37:10 +0100 Message-ID: <001501cc0af7$3aa82640$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 08:37:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: LF/MF QRO/QRP Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01CC0AFF.9C252500" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039400c89aa4dc2543c1e5a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CC0AFF.9C252500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger=20 You must be over Excited by my message because I got your reply Twice. I was referring specifically to the lower frequencies where QRP is a= time waster as explained before and does not get beyond your garden,= however I forgot about your plan B, Gas pipe to Watford Junction, the= n left on Water main to LLantelduden reservoir and north to Wigan pier= on overhead electric train rail. This is not amateur radio, but avoid= s upsetting neighbours with large antennas as you say. And do not forget a sense of humour!!!!!!!!! a necessity for VLF=20 G3KEV=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: g3kevmal@talktalk.net ; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 10:36 PM Subject: LF: LF/MF QRO/QRP Dear Mal With your QRO on the LF and MF bands and your fine antenna set-up yo= u are able to work some impressive DX and set some great records; that= 's great for you. But why can't you understand, and respect, that som= e of us seek different challenges in the hobby that are equally valid?= =20 Mine own fun is seeing what can be done with low power (5W or less)= from the PA. On the HF bands this has netted me well over 100 DXCC= on SSB (and on CW) with small "back yard" antennas never bigger than= a wire dipole. Even on 6m I've worked across the Atlantic with around= 2.5W ERP a few summers back and I've lost count of the countries and= QTH squares worked on 6m and up. QRP does actually get results, and= frequently these are two-way QRP contacts with simple homemade gear. Now, in the last couple of years I wanted to test the practical limi= ts of 5W from the PA to modest "small garden" antennas on the LF and= MF bands too. Yes, getting DX results on these bands is a lot harder= and I am indeed thankful to good stations and modern digital techniqu= es to help. But finding out by experiment that a very modest, low ERP,= LF/MF station can indeed span hundreds of miles is every bit as valid= as working transatlantic DX with QRO and huge antennas, fun though th= is must be. On VLF there is little doubt that power counts and one of= the reasons I have kept to earth mode experiments so far is that I do= not really want to TX with high power or to extensive antennas that= are unlikely to be neighbour accepted.=20 All I ask is that you enjoy the hobby your way and that you let othe= rs do the same their way, with mutual respect. So please, no more sill= y childish jibing and let us ALL enjoy the hobby together. We cannot= afford to put off people keen to experiment at LF whether QRO or QRP. 73s Roger G3XBM --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CC0AFF.9C252500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Roger
You must be over Excited by my message because= I got your=20 reply Twice.
I was referring specifically to the lower freq= uencies=20 where QRP is a time waster as explained before and does not get beyond= your=20 garden, however I forgot about your plan B, Gas pipe to Watford Juncti= on, then=20 left on Water main to LLantelduden reservoir and north to Wigan pier= on overhead=20 electric train rail. This is not amateur radio, but avoids upsetting= neighbours=20 with large antennas as you say.
And do not forget a sense of humour!!!!!!!!!= a necessity=20 for VLF
G3KEV
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Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011= 10:36=20 PM
Subject: LF: LF/MF QRO/QRP

Dear Mal

With your QRO on the LF and MF bands= and your=20 fine antenna set-up you are able to work some impressive DX and set= some great=20 records; that's great for you.  But why can't you understand,= and=20 respect, that some of us seek different challenges in the hobby that= are=20 equally valid?

Mine own fun is seeing what can be done with= low power=20 (5W or less)  from the PA. On the HF bands this has netted me= well over=20 100 DXCC on SSB (and on CW) with small "back yard" antennas never bi= gger than=20 a wire dipole. Even on 6m I've worked across the Atlantic with aroun= d 2.5W ERP=20 a few summers back and I've lost count of the countries and QTH squa= res worked=20 on 6m and up. QRP does actually get results, and frequently these ar= e two-way=20 QRP contacts with simple homemade gear.

Now, in the last coup= le of=20 years I wanted to test the practical limits of 5W from the PA to mod= est "small=20 garden" antennas on the LF and MF bands too. Yes, getting DX results= on these=20 bands is a lot harder and I am indeed thankful to good stations and= modern=20 digital techniques to help. But finding out by experiment that a ver= y modest,=20 low ERP, LF/MF station can indeed span hundreds of miles is every bi= t as valid=20 as working transatlantic DX with QRO and huge antennas, fun though= this must=20 be. On VLF there is little doubt that power counts and one of the re= asons I=20 have kept to earth mode experiments so far is that I do not really= want to TX=20 with high power or to extensive antennas that are unlikely to be nei= ghbour=20 accepted.

All I ask is that you enjoy the hobby your way and= that you=20 let others do the same their way, with mutual respect. So please, no= more=20 silly childish jibing and let us ALL enjoy the hobby together. We ca= nnot=20 afford to put off people keen to experiment at LF whether QRO or=20 QRP.

73s
Roger G3XBM




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