Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.142]) by air-db06.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB062-86204d9a120e18b; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 14:46:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BB0793800027C; Mon, 4 Apr 2011 14:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Q6om2-0007Og-MT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 19:45:14 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Q6om2-0007OX-8f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 19:45:14 +0100 Received: from mail-vw0-f43.google.com ([209.85.212.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Q6om0-0001ae-AT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 19:45:14 +0100 Received: by vws10 with SMTP id 10so6921065vws.16 for ; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 11:45:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=4ZNH3NpRDv0SzRiEq6nQROKHcJ4dFXksLrGj/u26gOo=; b=ThVLUJwSa985OSAaFKJxZ/F5EeXXh2v3gMfc8dE0vPt9wxOHXqu5KkjM6BSOvhZ7Sy 0Hfn6DxqnyGVjmr9MxIXLjCgqhbSY3sydSOk0S7M1Dhtp+9DunmDxKWoF1i4TAsfp4/q ZnaSaH8Wig3rHDCv5vdj7pERvywBjhSOEH6ps= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=UM3CBTHAp8NzKuANv5vCugjMl21MC2HYCy7dsUT8PaukzdZnZKcP64V7HnV3iKimos zVaJuXjG73BmYvv4UHAl+hQGLSHlyZCptGtUIVjaW3FjQNI0ayYyLv8snq50DfmEpV0l Qw6mVErmRyupOwiI7aHBsB9k/IiJrL43+AYnc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.0.37 with SMTP id 5mr1717913vdb.154.1301942706249; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 11:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.157.198 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Apr 2011 11:45:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4D9A1D28.3097.2283684@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> References: <4D9A146C.25841.206191E@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <4D9A1D28.3097.2283684@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 14:45:06 -0400 Message-ID: From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: Mike Dennison DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Decca faulty transformer? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m270.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408e4d9a120c3729 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Mike, I just measured a known good Decca output transformer with a Peak Atlas LCR meter. The 3.2mH is correct for the monitor winding, the other windings should be a bit above 106uH each (I got values between 106.4 and 106.8 uH) --=20 73 Warren K2ORS =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XGJ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1 On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Mike Dennison wrote: > Thanks for the suggestion Andy. I did that already using an Atlas LCR > meter > (one of the best bits of test gear I ever bought), but didn't believe > the result. > > It showed what looked to me like very low inductance, some 1.3uH on > the > =A0'primaries' and 3.2uH on the secondary. The 'monitor' winding is > much higher > =A0than this. Would a single shorted turn make all of the inductances > low? > The Atlas declined to measure the DC resistances as they were too > low. > > Mike > =3D=3D=3D=3D > >> Disconnect all windings and measure the inductance. =A0 If the >> transformer is OK, the L will be high - with Xl many times the >> operating impedance. =A0 A shorted turn - which is what it looks as if >> you may have - will drastically lower L to a value that should be >> evident >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> >> >> On 4 April 2011 18:56, Mike Dennison >> wrote: > I have a fault on my Decca 5501 LF transmitter. It appears >> that the > main output transformer / combiner is faulty. Each Tx >> module takes > current when connected to the transformer, even when >> the output is > disconnected. And there is no power out of the >> transformer. > > I have some questions: > > According to the the >> circuit diagram, the transformer's output > winding has a 3.3nF >> capacitor across it. However, it seems to be > invisible! Does anyone >> know where it is? Is it inside the pot core? > > Does anyone have a >> spare transformer for sale? > > Has anyone had a similar fault? > > Is >> it difficult to disassemble the transformer? > > It is very difficult >> to test for shorted turns because the resistance > is extremely low. > >> > Any ideas? > > Mike, G3XDV > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > >> > > > >