Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.204]) by air-dd04.mail.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILINDD043-865a4db6a3cdc7; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 06:51:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A71593800008C; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 06:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QEfqw-0000mJ-5t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 11:50:46 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QEfqv-0000mA-FY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 11:50:45 +0100 Received: from mail-iy0-f171.google.com ([209.85.210.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QEfqr-00089u-TL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 11:50:45 +0100 Received: by iyi20 with SMTP id 20so597138iyi.16 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 03:50:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3vX1KCsIIKsBrFDplI8HTC1v54Ws8YWPL1qI4FRzFmA=; b=ouJM9sN4K/snjtD+4HybHpLZfaIcTuFeYt7tR9MQgcnV/B1LzwB0k3Nc3A584NUH2q R4GKtCTTsmVHIxhX2HedL4iwGSsQlX8BEkN764807NVbkCBwMqvtBaVXJZ2QBkuaUEIW yAUJMoSRPEMvSiVHgSB0GuZsyhY/jLxU+P1sk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=CcwGGzkbDSeUJ4oUuXPKUiPcOWdX89H5tXcvLJlbltoPekqN95iRaME6HYGHLknvWz 1rjLeEx90fjx5ZsKgTFMkMkdVoFPkNEzrbP1cD1yPMIwG0bydnWNi1JaC9IJJOzQVEDG mRxr0eCyKXqrVc9Y2e+5gid1rP2AVt6yPJKgU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.141.196 with SMTP id p4mr663324icu.180.1303815035098; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 03:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.221.133 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 03:50:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <498303.42730.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <003601cc03e2$3c605460$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <498303.42730.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 11:50:35 +0100 Message-ID: From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AMATEUR_PORN=1.473,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: O/T 4m Trnsvr PLAYED OUT Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e869e05159704a1d0189e X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.4 required=5.0 tests=AMATEUR_PORN,HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d298.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cc4db6a3cb74fd X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --90e6ba6e869e05159704a1d0189e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Pete Agree totally with your email about VLF and LF. This is REAL amateur radio and not black-box operating. We've all learnt a lot. Despite easy DX on 10m again this morning, I still find getting very simple QRP gear to work on VLF, LF and MF much more interesting. There is still much fro me to do and learn at the lower end of the spectrum and I shall remain active on 8, 136 and 500kHz. Yes, happy to answer questions on my 4m QRP transverter design. It worked a few hundred km in a recent activity contest with just a dipole in the loft and should be good for some European Es DX this next few months. 73s Roger G3XBM On 26 April 2011 10:57, M0FMT wrote: > Hi Roger > > Thanks for the URL to the 4m transverter. I have started to take interest > in the band again. I have always been on FM. I have built several 4M > converters but never had luck with the TX side. The last project I had a go > at was one in RadCom a year back the Converter was all Mosfet which worked > really well and I still use it. The TX side however was not a sucess mainly > I think down to the mixer which was a diode double balanced design that I > just could get to work. > So I may try the TX part of your circuit..... I hope you are prepared to > answer questions later ... hee:-)) > > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Roger Lapthorn > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Tue, 26 April, 2011 9:10:44 > *Subject:* Re: LF: PLAYED OUT > > Hi Mal. > > G3XIZ continues to improve his station and has been copied at decent range > on DFCW this weekend. Others, like me, are finding out more and more about > through-the-ground VLF communications and are regularly copying UK and > European stations on 8.97kHz by radiated DX. You've only to look on the news > page of the Sub 9kHz Amateur Radio website to see just how much is going on > on VLF. See https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/news > > Certainly 10m has been very good lately, with WSPR reports from around the > planet with my 5W (or less) and a small wire halo antenna. 6m and 4m Es DX > is also about to start and I'm hoping for some QRP DX on 4m with my homebrew > transverter. See http://sites.google.com/site/g3xbmqrp/Home/4m_transverter > . > > In my view it is not either/or but all and more. > > Good luck on whichever end of the spectrum you experiment Mal. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > > > On 26 April 2011 08:19, mal hamilton wrote: > >> Activity very poor over the easter weekend on VLF/LF/MF whereas all the >> other amateur bands were buzzing and some long haul acty on 10 metres. >> Maybe it is time to abandon the lower frequencies and concentrate on the >> higher end like 10, 6 and 4 metres. >> The results on VLF es LF es MF currently do not justify the effort, VLF >> acty from the UK especially poor in spite of several stations being >> permitted to operate on the 9 khz band. >> Time for a change!! >> de G3KEV >> >> > > > > -- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm > https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ --90e6ba6e869e05159704a1d0189e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pete

Agree totally with your email about VLF and LF. This is REA= L amateur radio and not black-box operating. We've all learnt a lot.= Despite easy DX on 10m again this morning, I still find getting very simp= le QRP gear to work on VLF, LF and MF much more interesting. There is stil= l much fro me to do and learn at the lower end of the spectrum and I shall= remain active on 8, 136 and 500kHz.

Yes, happy to answer questions on my 4m QRP transverter design. It wor= ked a few hundred km in a recent activity contest with just a dipole in th= e loft and should be good for some European Es DX this next few months.
73s
Roger G3XBM

On 26 April 2011= 10:57, M0FMT <m= 0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
From: Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@g= mail.com>
To: rsgb_lf_gr= oup@blacksheep.org
Sent: Tue, 26 April, 2011= 9:10:44
Subject: Re: LF= : PLAYED OUT

Hi Mal.

G3XIZ continues to improve his= station and has been copied at decent range on DFCW this weekend. Others,= like me, are finding out more and more about through-the-ground VLF commu= nications and are regularly copying UK and European stations on 8.97kHz by= radiated DX. You've only to look on the news page of the Sub 9kHz Ama= teur Radio website to see just how much is going on on VLF. See https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/news

Certainly 10m has been very good lately, with WSPR reports from around= the planet with my 5W (or less) and a small wire halo antenna. 6m and 4m Es= DX is also about to start and I'm hoping for some QRP DX on 4m with= my homebrew transverter. See http://sites.= google.com/site/g3xbmqrp/Home/4m_transverter.

In my view it is not either/or but all and more.=A0

Good luck= on whichever end of the spectrum you experiment Mal.

73s
Roger= G3XBM



On 26 April 2011 08:19, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
Activity very poor over the easter weekend on VL= F/LF/MF whereas all the other amateur bands were buzzing and some long hau= l acty on 10 metres.
Maybe it is time to abandon the lower frequencie= s and concentrate on the higher end like 10, 6 and 4 metres.
The results on VLF es LF es MF currently do not= justify the effort, VLF acty from the UK especially poor=A0in spite of=A0= several stations being permitted to operate on the 9 khz band.
Time for a change!!
de G3KEV
=A0



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