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Mal

You are correct that we have to be careful when IDing these VLF signals,=
 but there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the signals received by=
 G3ZJO, Paul Nicholson, M0BMU, G3XBM and others here in the UK are from th=
e VLF stations stated. As Andy stated, with known on and off times of tran=
smissions, very accurate frequency measurement and sometimes a clear drift=
 pattern (as with OE5ODL) plus the ability to cross check time/frequency=
 on EU grabbers there is really no doubt who is transmitting. This is not=
 a contest - it is experimentation of the best kind.=20

So, Stop wasting your energy bemoaning the good work being done by many.=
  Instead say or do something constructive for once please.=20

73s
Roger G3XBM

Via my 2.4GHz handheld (iPod Touch 4g)

On 5 Apr 2011, at 08:06, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

> Andy
> But not 100%. You have left 0.1% to the imaginatiion and that gets stret=
ched
> at times.  There must be no doubt, no guesswork or brushing,  only absol=
ute
> proof.
> You must have seen the senario here lots of times ie I saw a squiggle!!=
 The
> freq seems right so does the time !! I got a 3 mm screen shot over a per=
iod
> of 24 hours must be you!!
> To avoid spurious reporting there must be positive ID SENT, one symbol=
 or a
> cut in long carriers at intervals.
>=20
> G3KEV
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@gmail.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:48 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: a fool in Market Harborough
>=20
>=20
> If the timetable shows the bus leaves at 1258, and it does leave at 1258
>=20
> And it arrives at 1445. when the timetable says is should.
>=20
> Then stops
>=20
> And the the bus drives along a road of 430uHz
> And it at least 4dB above the road surface in that width.
> And you look just for the presence of the bus (rather than its shape
> and direction)
>=20
> Then there is a 99.9% certainty the bus was there
>=20
> That's basic information theory.   Not gut reaction, perception or
> intuition or belief or fantasy
> Just basic maths.
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> 'JNT
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> On 4 April 2011 20:13, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
>> The list you mention is no PROOF that you were on the bus. Proof needed
> was
>> TICKET and having it punched. You IMAGINED the FOOL and that you were=
 on
> the
>> but from Market Harborough to GROBY POOL
>> You could have looked at the time table and got the information as you
>> describe, so who was Foolish.
>> I am afraid to be convinced about your bus journies we need Tickets and=
 on
>> Radio some positive ID
>> G3KEV
>>=20
>>=20
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "qrss" <qrss@talktalk.net>
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 8:39 PM
>> Subject: LF: a fool in Market Harborough
>>=20
>>=20
>>> Not O/T really.
>>>=20
>>> I went on the bus to Market Harborough today. There were 4 people on=
 the
>>> 870034 bus, it left on time and arrived on time. When we arrived a foo=
l
>>> who wasn't on the bus said he doubted :-
>>> 1) the existence of the bus
>>> 2) that there was anyone on the bus
>>> 3) the start time
>>> 4) the journey time
>>> 5) the arrival time.
>>>=20
>>> Its a good job that I got a the attached photo of the people on the bu=
s.
>>>=20
>>> G3ZJO
>>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
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