Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mk02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.97.134]) by air-md02.mail.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILINMD022-8b794da845f6314; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 09:19:50 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DF2D638000169; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 09:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QAivJ-0001WZ-31 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 14:18:57 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QAivI-0001WQ-Kf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 14:18:56 +0100 Received: from nm8.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.249]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QAivH-0007nb-6k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 14:18:56 +0100 Received: from [217.146.183.216] by nm8.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2011 13:18:49 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.60] by tm9.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2011 13:18:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2011 13:18:49 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 160018.46970.bm@omp1029.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 86381 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2011 13:18:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=XPSoNhbI8ZSTq3rOeiVEDjg+K7tvDIo77Baxl1E6/oyNJjff7Im/Cj4DExPjhgSMyG+x3DJ4AdcsL3fFujd6A+Zrx7DxLm6r0+0l5LVomXbiXpFIq9LuWvUXWHJIb7T5lCi+GuWXUOVkEHGsdnsMTCi/kZbEM+H3eDBCvIvEUpk= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1302873529; bh=KizhT9NqSAnt+phrB8UBfbMyRkCYT0tEw/iPRNE7La4=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Tr8SIl6r6YGZLVVm0lewpbSlR9fvAGICS8JfcxGXDNuP/qtrNgtOh6Xa02//zQ6xouo6M9D/jJIX5W36/0ayxYnX8UsbfIEgktQH5yd32v8SInFfpND+KBuK7h1X+jWj9LKuyUkltBwKYXNqcI8/hiMABoeyyEyB7FZyy+rd1bs= Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.174.31.38 with login) by smtp816.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2011 13:18:48 +0000 GMT X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- X-YMail-OSG: WUjJ6w0VM1lncLWn5E2nUvbsuLX2IQy3tnhhnsl6X2u7bBA QMS6s1fdI4Kr_2J8Gbm3KXwTvO6ZgHpYiDNZE1ZvDh9BF55IDy4ArAdLC5CA kjA8wPJ4.DoVgPK76LFFilzEClAMDoVqr1yOSKYazbftEclAgS66__zftFZj dD30mTGM5M1AJyvQpz4b0xr2jUzUR6SZ2pW6Lgtiemat1QBMO9aOUKukbzO4 RjhBZyTdom2tcT6_nK3bCdxzRgARXso6f2QG3eqL1WX54cTX1a4jmhUOELYg Ixz1zLTlgLk.tobRJZlh00hRyV.r.AMudA5TlJWgpoeXHpW3FCFTo7thGHw- - X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <662933E96B28462BA08F5D42F386692F@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <618180.72059.qm@web28509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <618180.72059.qm@web28509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 14:18:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18417 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: VLF - vertical probe measurements Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d004.2 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61864da845f42512 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Chris, LF Group, Assuming the antenna impedance seen by the TX stays the same (i.e. you are not changing output power by altering the antenna matching), the DC current drawn by the amplifier will be, to a first approximation, proportional to the output current and the output voltage. The E and H fields produced by the antenna are also proportional to the currents and voltages at the TX output. So overall, direct proportionality between Idc and E is what you would expect. The apparent disparity between voltage/current/power relationships does not really exist - the change in DC input power relative to RF output power depends on the type of PA. If a class AB type fed with a constant supply voltage, as the output is reduced, efficiency becomes lower, i.e. a greater proportion of the DC input is dissipated by the amplifier. RF output power is approximately proportional to the square of the DC input power and the square of the DC current in this case. If a class D or E type, in order to reduce the supply current, you have to reduce supply voltage in the same proportion also. In this case, RF output power is nearly directly proportional to DC input power, the square of DC supply current, and the square of DC supply voltage. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Osborn" To: "LF Group" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 1:40 PM Subject: LF: VLF - vertical probe measurements I noticed that the probe's pick-up voltage is directly proportional to my PA's supply current. Assuming that the PA efficiency doesn't change drastically with current then would I be correct in assuming that the probe's voltage is directly proportional to the radiated power?