Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dk01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dk01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.180.5]) by air-db02.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB022-861c4d9b6c0917b; Tue, 05 Apr 2011 15:22:49 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7333F380001F1; Tue, 5 Apr 2011 15:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Q7BoS-0003fX-TA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2011 20:21:16 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Q7BoR-0003fM-Ri for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2011 20:21:15 +0100 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Q7BoP-0000hi-Ty for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2011 20:21:15 +0100 Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20110405192107.MNOP6199.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com>; Tue, 5 Apr 2011 20:21:07 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.2] (really [82.5.252.56]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with ESMTP id <20110405192107.NWII25842.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.2]>; Tue, 5 Apr 2011 20:21:07 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: "mal hamilton" , rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 20:20:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4D9B79AB.26866.92747E@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <006e01cbf3bc$a68b4f60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <007f01cbf2f6$2d7574a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf>, <006e01cbf3bc$a68b4f60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JvdXmxIgLJv2/GthKqHpGJEEHukvLcvELVXUanXFreg= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=wV9FcBFsAAAA:8 a=nN7BH9HXAAAA:8 a=1mTM0hAjZGxZnNqS2vIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=muIvw5a9-cgA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Decca Jeep Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4054d9b6c06454d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none OK, thanks. M = > Mike > The info that I sent yesterday for transformer windings are those > specified by Decca for that particular transformer on that core. > mal/g3kev > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Dennison" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 7:03 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Decca Jeep > > > Many thanks to Andy, Warren and Mal for their helpful info. It > certainly looks like I have a shorted turn. > > I will start by trying to dismantle the existing pot core, but I am > not optimistic. > > Warren's inductance measurements are very useful as I presume I just > need to replicate those figures with my new core. > > I have a couple of 3C85 toroids which could usefully be pressed into > action. > > But if anyone has a spare transformer (or even a Decca chassis minus > the amps) it would save me some work. > > And I am still baffled by the missing 3.3n cap shown on the circuit > but nowhere to be seen in practice. > > Thanks again. > > Mike > ==== > > > Any large modern SMPSU core will cope with 1kW of sinusoidal 137kHz > > > > Just make sure B is kept below ~0.1 Tesla using the equation to > > determine teh minumum number of turns > > V(rms) = 4.44.F.N.A.B > > > > F Hz, N turns A core x-sectional area in m^2, B Tesla. > > (the factor 4.44 comes from SQRT(2) * PI ) > > > > In my 137kHz 700 Watt Tx, I used an ETD49 core with cross > > sectional area of 200mm^2 made from 3C85 material designed for Bmax > > = 0.05T. That runs cold. Thes days, even better ferrites are > > availble, like 3C90. These are less lossy still, but Bmax is no > > more. TV LOPTs use generally older types of ferrite, even older than > > 3C8, so its worth going for a modern SMPSU core rather than cutting > > corners dismantling old TVs. Although as Mal has clearly found, > > using LOPTs beyond their design frequency, provided B is kept low by > > using enough turns, even they will run OK. Just don't use too > > many turns that copper losses begin to rear their head. > > > > Andy > > www.g4jnt.com > > > > > > On 4 April 2011 19:29, mal hamilton wrote: > > > Output transformer info. > Faulty output transformer. > Strip old > > transformer windings and rewind as follows. > Prim 3 x 6 turns Sec > > 31 turns > or > use large LOPT 3C material with same amount of turns > > as above. > > Wire guage guide Prim 3mm litz per winding and Sec 1 > > or 2 mm enamel > > > de G3KEV > > > > > > > >