Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.144]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME032-8ba94d962431313; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 15:14:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AD9EB380000BC; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 15:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Q5jln-0007fu-Gr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 20:12:31 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Q5jlm-0007fl-RX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 20:12:30 +0100 Received: from nm8.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.249]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Q5jlm-0002U9-KS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 20:12:30 +0100 Received: from [217.146.183.210] by nm8.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2011 19:12:24 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.176] by tm3.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2011 19:12:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2011 19:12:24 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 436609.42319.bm@omp1017.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 100 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Apr 2011 19:12:24 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1301685144; bh=x9XsJaUzdQs+s3RBekbEzv/X/5GRkgEIJDMyb5Fwnk0=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4eDNzcE9gGLFKjaZ7Am4oCb2Es6q+3bAZ2WZOd0mKKGXIxjxFpja7P5BnuNuar5npyTe97sCBfqP3Wy3tRg5vSRle9w2/JG9f5+ntavT/P/SzjHxDDopV9ABWuV3tU1waCmuJRE0OVCDMH1ip/oxHKkb4RROUCbTClFLJnKtUJs= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VLAbc4bSxDjQxGydvbVWbbTsYbArm+rm4EXy89JBUQXGltFbXPoxnIo0amF3cR7SGeFotvrIbU2Jm8lU3/JugX/POX9LYgV+t97TjCWJcgXfqGsyXlOx+v96awrAYntaaf3zU5ils/zVQp7tdOYWTpC2IGM7X2dW0VjVO5hd4DU=; Message-ID: <284457.99677.qm@web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: _dkn3YUVM1m6Tbm66PCvNjNSCV_JrM6hTAwjozt6NfD4jbf rZhOR4qNqs9j_CN0isBbjVLm8l8OUd7RiagVFnmm9VS7oWR3VXn_GX9Y9a0a lMhBcOYRfDOIyp0rhJlrfTCMmKqh3Jefks_rgAHa9KfxmJK9wtok.jo4rAoh h8fvVV8mcV5zZ.2Zo6jaEdScJGk8fju1V3Wk0KUBgz_GywBApBhHITIKbCS8 7uxqR6J_FN8W7LrWmeUL_IapmMla.El19KqFJ53rLGL5u66k6jgyvI.uVTU_ M0_XZt3uHaBgR7bnJ7gbKcKrtvyAbbJdr1WBqZc3X3E9jO4zWuU25lhMM_Wy UwdE2mwLFlvWpCYY- Received: from [86.137.245.250] by web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 20:12:23 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/559 YahooMailWebService/0.8.109.295617 References: <003301cbf08b$6be12a30$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 20:12:23 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <003301cbf08b$6be12a30$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Re: VLF TX tests this weekend - please tell us now! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1676399749-1301685143=:99677" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m010.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40904d96242c785b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --0-1676399749-1301685143=:99677 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0Hi Mal I agree to some extent with=A0you Mal......... However my experience is th= at with=20 all the RSGB "Laws" saying what you can and can't do on these frequencies= is it=20 any wonder there is no activity. It strikes me most people would prefer th= e=20 bands to be silent than have a=A0QSO on a=A0sacred frequency. Having been= shooed off=20 500kc/s for running a QRP beacon=A0with listen through within a few c/s of= the=A0LF=20 edge whilst stations at the HF end can run tens of watts on un-QSOable WSP= R mode=20 without comment.=A0 You have shooed me off 137.770 (via email) when attemp= ting a=20 QRP=A0QSO in QRSS with G4AYT. VHF also has it's RSGB policemen who shoo people off=A070.45mHz (and other= =20 frequencies) when we have a freewheeling QSO there i.e. long gaps between= overs.=20 The fact that the Shooers are never heard on the band for a QSO seems that= a=20 nice quiet unused band is preferred. In this=A0area we used to have quite= big nets=20 on 4m, Sunday lunch times, but the policemen won and now the band is left= to the=20 unattended computer talk-through repeaters=A0that are starting to take ove= r on=20 that band. Few direct QSOs now.=A0 Also the fact that one can put up a signal on 136kc/s (the first for about= 3=20 years) and have a critical report on its quality via email but=A0not a QSO= is=20 another testimony to the fact most people with connections to the RSGB wou= ld=20 like the bands=A0quiet soley for a chosen few.=A0 I won't appeal to people to be tolerant just to say=A0personally I will us= e the=20 bands how=A0I like and if someone wants to put up a pre-advertised signal= for=20 experimental reasons, then why not?=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20 =A0.=A073 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=20 ________________________________ From: mal hamilton To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Fri, 1 April, 2011 17:39:50 Subject: LF: Re: VLF TX tests this weekend - please tell us now! Amaterur radio is a random activity and creates more excitement when one= =20 discovers a transmission and engages in a QSO. even on VLF a surprise transmission is more exciting than pre arranged ske= ds,=20 most of my hits were by chance with confirmation afterwards when I produce= d=20 screen capture evidence. also it avoids cheating and speculation when some spec is seen and claimed as= =20 evidence based only on frequency and time and imagination. Random activity is the norm=A0on the other bands ie LF and MF and works we= ll Announcing an expedition and the effort needed =A0is different, it alerts= would be=20 gazers to look out and listen. I am in QSO mode always to work LF, MF and xband 9 khz/137 khz and must sa= y=20 disappointed not to hear/see anyone active on 9 khz from the UK, or even= 137 and=20 500 however I often see acty from EU=A0ie DL=A0and OE5 stations at great= distances.=A0 G3DXZ=A0and G3XIZ appear at times on 500 and G3XIZ=A0also=A0once in a whil= e on 137=20 de G3KEV =A0 =A0 =A0 ----- Original Message -----=20 >From: Roger Lapthorn=20 >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; sub9khz@yahoogroups.com ;=20 >VLF_Group@yahoogroups.com=20 > >Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 5:51 PM >Subject: LF: VLF TX tests this weekend - please tell us now! > >Please would anyone doing VLF transmission tests this weekend let us know= as=20 >soon as possible and in advance?=A0 We've already heard that DK7FC/P will= not be=20 >testing this weekend (bad weather) but G3XIZ will be. What about others? > >So, if you plan to be active on VLF between now and Monday please post he= re=20 >giving: > > >Dates/times when activity expected >Frequencies >Type of transmission (long carrier, QRSS, DFCW etc) >Power >Antenna >Location > >I will add details of any activities to the Sub 9kHz website news page to= o so as=20 >many people as possible know to look. There is far more chance of getting= =20 >reports if advanced warnings of activities are given and people are prepa= red. > >73s >Roger G3XBM > >--=20 >http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm >https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ >G3XBM=A0=A0 GQRP 1678=A0=A0=A0 ISWL G11088 > --0-1676399749-1301685143=:99677 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Hi Mal
 
I agree to some extent with you Mal......... However my experien= ce is that with all the RSGB "Laws" saying what you can and can't do on th= ese frequencies is it any wonder there is no activity. It strikes me most= people would prefer the bands to be silent than have a QSO on a = ;sacred frequency. Having been shooed off 500kc/s for running a QRP beacon=  with listen through within a few c/s of the LF edge whilst stat= ions at the HF end can run tens of watts on un-QSOable WSPR mode without= comment.  You have shooed me off 137.770 (via email) when attempting= a QRP QSO in QRSS with G4AYT.
VHF also has it's RSGB policemen who shoo people off 70.45mHz (a= nd other frequencies) when we have a freewheeling QSO there i.e. long gaps= between overs. The fact that the Shooers are never heard on the band for= a QSO seems that a nice quiet unused band is preferred. In this area= we used to have quite big nets on 4m, Sunday lunch times, but the policem= en won and now the band is left to the unattended computer talk-through re= peaters that are starting to take over on that band. Few direct QSOs= now. 
Also the fact that one can put up a signal on 136kc/s (the first for= about 3 years) and have a critical report on its quality via email but&nb= sp;not a QSO is another testimony to the fact most people with connections= to the RSGB would like the bands quiet soley for a chosen few. =
 
I won't appeal to people to be tolerant just to say personally= I will use the bands how I like and if someone wants to put up a pre= -advertised signal for experimental reasons, then why not?  &nbs= p;  
 . 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=20

=
From: mal hamilton <g3k= evmal@talktalk.net>
To:<= /B> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
S= ent: Fri, 1 April, 2011 17:39:50
Subject: LF: Re: VLF TX tests this weekend - please= tell us now!

Amaterur radio is a random activity and creates mo= re excitement when one discovers a transmission and engages in a QSO.
even on VLF a surprise transmission is more exciti= ng than pre arranged skeds, most of my hits were by chance with confirmati= on afterwards when I produced screen capture evidence.
also
it avoids cheating and speculation when some spec= is seen and claimed as evidence based only on frequency and time and imag= ination.
Random activity is the norm on the other band= s ie LF and MF and works well
Announcing an expedition and the effort needed &nb= sp;is different, it alerts would be gazers to look out and listen.<= /DIV>
I am in QSO mode always to work LF, MF and xband= 9 khz/137 khz and must say disappointed not to hear/see anyone active on= 9 khz from the UK, or even 137 and 500 however I often see acty from EU&n= bsp;ie DL and OE5 stations at great distances. 
G3DXZ and G3XIZ appear at times on 500 and G3= XIZ also once in a while on 137
de G3KEV
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 5:51= PM
Subject: LF: VLF TX tests this week= end - please tell us now!

Please would anyone doing VLF transmission tests this weeke= nd let us know as soon as possible and in advance?  We've alre= ady heard that DK7FC/P will not be testing this weekend (bad weather) but= G3XIZ will be. What about others?

So, if you plan to be active on= VLF between now and Monday please post here giving:

Dates/times when activity expected
Fre= quencies
Type of transmission (long carrier, QRSS, DFCW etc)
PowerAntenna
Location

I will add details of any activities to= the Sub 9kHz website news page too so as many people as= possible know to look. There is far more chance of getting reports if adv= anced warnings of activities are given and people are prepared.

73s=
Roger G3XBM

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