Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.73]) by air-ma06.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA063-b52a4da4aa31392; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:38:25 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0F18E380000AA; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Q9jO0-0005Zx-My for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 20:36:28 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Q9jNz-0005Zo-SH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 20:36:27 +0100 Received: from nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.91.204]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Q9jNx-0003DT-V4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 20:36:27 +0100 Received: from [98.139.91.68] by nm5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2011 19:36:18 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.11] by tm8.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2011 19:36:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2011 19:36:18 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 502103.32997.bm@omp1011.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 18637 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2011 19:36:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=kwHFog/yr9PbBBtd+cNatHYS4RhF1Bdgbvjr7UtufXK9Ze5YliMYWX9ihlSZVyuFIQSxV0RbU6bvZAAUsiH4OAmY+9AeiS+vppfy2TMBqz8kQmCE66L0SCcLIBgtA02hrZWAmG0nlQdxOLZK4CeFsXP4c93Q/8TLaQHF/W+DNI4= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1302636978; bh=621Y3++KI6nkyDOlf7tzpg8AMtcpS6Gc2kl/SJtBbZI=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=5DNkb/38jnaZDC05QOm7GGMgq5zDK8/nA/MxkOTKi+r2ksrWwTAKdZHCHb+UYmckAhLxbajW42sJDQ30FItNXUnyJg1b9fX261vJ4wmqQuFwDOGeRfZl2hhSdvQtFKhxU1iepwEZmuWYuAj66M86Yqzip6W3DydGLuqzrXxhNpA= Received: from lindavideo (ken.h.wright@86.173.46.164 with login) by smtp134.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2011 12:36:17 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9Y6mUHuswBAgnrOsukIiNdFDf95uy_Dz34nY1hlg2liKgYD952sjbg-- X-YMail-OSG: yIWrm9QVM1lVhkPPrAfmxfyDugMOYjFySjvy6ZTiZfcYyYJ Jw9zDH0CkOX3AJfpWW63pYvxf8SHS3UW_qbNt8VnJpuuHkpuPCjl2MUFrbcZ RjlKixudNbrOMtb9RHo9Ihfx_aWGH5e2g5mrIkC9vbzTMKUm_IjhjamNdVLl pDcpW88uX5Gw2FHbMxg3OxeuwBF8RugYtOxafK01lHUHwZ1Nr3viia2NxqCb FLBAIkZRnHqiMZOW2l4dtJnWL9IIIFOdDGfLmKap1rOPCqVokFi9vaJDRwLK 4yqjpstD2Fa4Q4FewClUVc1OAVWLrVde5ldvFyzDfUU5G9GsuwGwgtZ.SRrF hnIfcqy9foCL_z.KMRS.gObph518E0p84wYZLjmoiXdukPFY- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <1283040D79AC471192E18AB6ED6F6841@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <4DA492C9.4329.AAE777@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 20:36:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Insulating tape / Decca repair Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m257.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60494da4aa2e1a09 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Mike. I was going to say the same as VE3EAR, find a local motor rewinding shop theywill have high voltage varnish but this usually requires baking overnight, they may also have cambric tape, I was in a motor winding shop in the late 50s expect things will have changes a lot since then. Good luck 73s Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 5:58 PM Subject: LF: Insulating tape / Decca repair > Further to my report on the failed combiner/output transformer in my > Decca QRO Tx, I have dismantled the transformer. The really good news > is that the huge (85mm dia) ferrite pot was not glued at all, and was > easily unclamped. The internal wires were more difficult, being > wrapped with cloth tape that seems to have been soaked in hard glue. > > I finally got to the secondary coil and found the shorted turn. That > coil comprises three layers wound on top of each other, but the cloth > wrapping was inadequate in one place, resulting in one turn from the > top layer being adjacent to one on the bottom layer, and thus > providing a higher voltage gradient than intended and shorting > several turns. > > So all I have to do is to improve the construction (to avoid the > voltage gradient) and re-assemble. I will wrap some sleeving over the > slightly charred wires where the short occurred. > > I need some advice on what to use to replace the glue-soaked cloth > tape. It needs to fix the turns and provide a high degree of > insulation. I could use ordinary plastic tape but it may suffer from > possible high temperatures (It is physically difficult to check > whether the transformer gets hot whilst transmitting for long > periods, but it's certainly likely). > > I have looked at the Maplin catalogue and they do "Silicone Self > Fusing Repair Tape" which seems to resist high temperatures (up to > 260 deg C) and high voltages (it actually says "7,000 volts/20mil > (0.51mm) dielectric strength", which I don't really understand). > > Should I replace the wire, or perhaps just its insulation? It is > solid, enamelled and insulated with some brown cloth or paper > (similar to the glue-soaked cloth) and is in good condition away from > the fault. Outside diameter is 2mm. > > Any suggestions or advice would be gratefully received. > > Mike, G3XDV > ========== >