Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.77]) by air-dd10.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD102-86384d791f66fb; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:58:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DC5B53800024A; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:58:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Pxl3P-0007dZ-Ua for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 18:57:43 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Pxl3P-0007dQ-Fq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 18:57:43 +0000 Received: from nm2.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.183.219]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Pxl3O-0007KW-MB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 18:57:43 +0000 Received: from [217.146.183.213] by nm2.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2011 18:57:37 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.169] by tm6.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2011 18:57:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2011 18:57:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 62853.99336.bm@omp1010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 60338 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2011 18:57:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=2F3JyPvvGuHTMTsq/XKWBS8XMZepeC4KG1S2ERUOT1mKYifnkQ9moGw8Q+e1vN6FSyLujST9AUuz2ehIgBhvl93zl+bb0511RHRtHwfv61wfKPsPqiqXzw4QQQI3MMJSnemDunq2t9tYvL6sJn+sxc7E6x/aodBbXTUl0qGc80c= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1299783456; bh=LCHdnzUfS72PhyRqM4KRC1mX778aoj7WNHwcaThj/Pw=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=HKwcGaW6sDg1x6nD8bhMrYy3I6A2UNdXl7ywRPe07lmFd1Sk6kmSEFYAMhUeanzB2miRM7vwrDg4Jp7HEY5RxQGJ4yfykHIy1uL9bMtAsp1qiaxAWMqlZSaafTksWUDUF3MLibWO0s/mYiiRn38yGWyUnmkDtno7Dwp9XdOECR8= Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.176.86.80 with login) by smtp823.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2011 18:57:36 +0000 GMT X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- X-YMail-OSG: UfsU4LQVM1kstmm7qkU5vHoAc5gmgus4jwAFAyJUv1665up bgZmwfLtcjyeW0FdQ65Q8_ztWnSV6sY6eaQn2VTkt3KojHnBE2Lp89kuEzCh Pw3qEmkt2vo6ep6PrgV0MCJGjkIzvoReh7QE7ySCeWl4KXSbvfQ4qiw2YXoy 4FSd8zRTgS1APVbLVp24ND_XBqFwl2d9QYteZhQa.YJnqKkHOd_RF2pKGW7Y KScsI7vMbKX8Ag9kPWMB9doBBHJV0JxBbkyMT X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <003201cbde72$606d6090$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <543492.45357.qm@web28102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <998C9385-2AEE-4C44-91FE-86FE85F09BA9@gmail.com> <6F4ACB3DA2BB4E338E9278EEDE300D20@JimPC> <4D791085.6000304@freenet.de> In-Reply-To: <4D791085.6000304@freenet.de> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 18:57:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18263 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: VLF Stability and soundcard locking Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d014.1 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604d4d791f6345c7 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Andy, Wolf, Markus, LF Group, I tried some further experiments with the same USB sound card and an additional computer (the one I am writing this mail on). The "real" offset in sound card clock rate is fairly stable (within a couple of ppm) at +48ppm. I reset data in the Spec Lab calibration table to 48000 samples/sec nominal and re-measured the sample rate error with the lap-top PC; this was -115ppm. I then transferred the USB sound card and calibration source to this desk top PC and left it running during the day, checking the sample rate error from time to time. The SR error showed small drifts consistent with the thermal drift of the sound card clock crystal, together with much larger step changes in sample rate, which occured when there was "activity" on the PC like opening files or applications, plugging in a USB stick, checking e-mail etc. Once the step had occured, the sample rate would stay very close to the new rate until the next step occured. It became clear there were discrete step sizes - I observed: +48ppm (for a frustrating few minutes...) -33.5ppm -114.9ppm -277.7ppm -359ppm If you subtract the +48ppm actual clock offset, you get offsets of: 0ppm -81.5ppm -162.9ppm -325.7ppm -407ppm if you calculate what this is in samples/sec at 48k sample rate, it is close to: 0, -4, -8, -16, -20 samples/sec, so it looks like samples evaporate in groups of four... interesting, if not directly useful! I will be interested to try this with other PCs to see if the result is the same. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU