Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mj02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mj02.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.86]) by air-me09.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME092-8bc14d76952c13a; Tue, 08 Mar 2011 15:44:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mj02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DB676380000B8; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 15:44:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Px3kF-0002UV-1e for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Mar 2011 20:43:03 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Px3kE-0002UM-GC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Mar 2011 20:43:02 +0000 Received: from mail-iy0-f171.google.com ([209.85.210.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Px3kC-00025L-05 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Mar 2011 20:43:02 +0000 Received: by iyf40 with SMTP id 40so7078906iyf.16 for ; Tue, 08 Mar 2011 12:42:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=SDi0s4o4t3kZKJKezSvxuAOye0UZwHsCv9KusRvRvO8=; b=sv8ffFV40EP7KWXi9zPRTvvq0JHJ8kMLNDb/+mE8MteltUisMQ4gcH7FPu4WQSsrNZ RFQGeUPbCieTflK1g//F1TF8feY0OhybwWLAPvUVS6YWOJZG+EFfxbHMLXNfQB3IVjK+ MM6c2pYZKGJOwmB+vgQaOoCAQyg9iD+Hi1eVg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=KBUu/CmRLN9h0aTSfhd+83v2/gzpUzUAlQKEYDcdAhq+tX5/xxaI5bHVVxa7fMDtZp 9Frc2UdqHEk99c1u3brNyIGVPzBxUfCX90WgNaESAJACD/wV5vlKfGRvD8xYlbgCXwdB 77Eu1ZUfmVFS9r9VnnE4f1XXzw2sXf4ykmM04= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.29.101 with SMTP id p37mr4311397ibc.3.1299616966501; Tue, 08 Mar 2011 12:42:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.199.197 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 12:42:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 20:42:46 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: VLF Stability and soundcard locking Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151773e340a1e47e049dfea73a X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m002.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039400c89a44d76952a1e0c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00151773e340a1e47e049dfea73a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It would appear that a typical soundcard isn't stable enough for VLF use when stations are running 1mHz bandwidth signalling, and using any locking option to other off-air signals is a bit restrictive in what software you can run. It may be worth looking at a custom codec driven from a locked frequency source. The PCM2900 (which costs only a few pounds from Farnell, and they supply the data sheet) is a self contained USB codec which needs only a handful of additional components for a USB soundcard with stereo line input and output. For normal operation it needs a 12MHz crystal, but an external 12MHz source can be used which could be locked to, or derived from, a high stability reference. Even a TCXO on its own with typically 1ppm accuracy / stability would be better than any normal 20ppm crystal I've built one of these codecs, but have yet to confirm the resulting sampling rate(s) are *exactly* what they should be. By the time it has gone through USB packetising and Windows' drivers I hope full synchronicity is maintained right through to the user software. This may only be the case for sampling rates like 12000Hz - it all depends what windows does. Exact conversion is needed for this solution to be worthwhile, not just a close approximation. Andy www.g4jnt.com --00151773e340a1e47e049dfea73a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It would appear that a=A0typical soundcard isn't stable enough fo= r VLF use when stations are running 1mHz bandwidth signalling, and using= any locking option to other off-air signals is a bit restrictive in what= software you can run.
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It may be worth looking at a custom codec driven from a locked freque= ncy source.=A0=A0 The PCM2900 (which costs only a few pounds=A0from Farnel= l, and they supply the data sheet) is a self contained USB codec which nee= ds only a handful of additional components for a USB soundcard with stereo= line input and output.=A0=A0=A0=A0 For normal operation it needs a 12MHz= crystal, but an external=A012MHz source can be used which could be locked= to, or derived from, a high stability reference.=A0 Even a TCXO on its ow= n=A0with typically 1ppm accuracy / stability would be better than any norm= al 20ppm crystal
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I've built one of these codecs,=A0but have yet to confirm the res= ulting sampling rate(s) are exactly what= they should be.=A0 By the=A0time it has gone through USB packetising and= Windows'=A0 drivers I hope full synchronicity is maintained right thr= ough to the user software.=A0=A0 This may only be the case for sampling ra= tes like 12000Hz - it all depends what windows does.=A0=A0 Exact conversio= n is needed for this solution to be worthwhile, not just a close approxima= tion.
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Andy
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