Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.218]) by air-md02.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD023-8b7a4d7ba2d62f; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 11:44:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2CA703800009C; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 11:44:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PyRuR-0003f2-7o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:43:19 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PyRuQ-0003et-Ir for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:43:18 +0000 Received: from mail-iy0-f171.google.com ([209.85.210.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PyRuO-0001wq-EL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:43:18 +0000 Received: by iyf40 with SMTP id 40so4861134iyf.16 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 08:43:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rYsDYghgMa4n6+Kqrxiy6nqGq4atuP0aWili0OeVyY0=; b=Y+BSQk2skPtR8/+Wgv0v/hetQCb6Tq4tSluy3fjryK8r1Ve9IoGl0v/qQl3iG7I9NX giP/eCiOc23UrQMj6bCEbAuUap1bgmZXZV+6Z3WDf4uRinB9LKNycb7uumzCPQK7Gy9h pNCooz92MAo7JiyWszafQ+LxubImS5IUUoYu8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=iLQb1BhN2vi7txCLZbdyA862YVJG+K+g3bRAVaknixCRZKzZPskGvBIKxrA2umuBkF oxqmxDVo0H8vCJZpt8HV5lg6WmwUBmRL5Dn28dYm1WScn8R2K/Esu7FlWkj4QI0zBrL0 FU6BaztzKRsSYwZJerfohU+cpM0494UAOfLWQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.136.68 with SMTP id s4mr13680324ict.187.1299948189518; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 08:43:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.189.74 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 08:43:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <00d801cbe0d0$f0a67010$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <006301cbe00d$762f0220$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <001501cbe091$863ebf50$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <5DA936C746C7432AA6E833B9CACE239F@AGB> <4D7B905D.2030103@talktalk.net> <00d801cbe0d0$f0a67010$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:43:09 +0000 Message-ID: From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: VLF traces O/T sorry Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e89c6100991049e4bc6b0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=CELL_PHONE_BOOST,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m222.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40da4d7ba2d42cf4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --90e6ba6e89c6100991049e4bc6b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear Mal, As Marcus said yesterday, why not download a suitable version of a Spectrum Lab .usr file locked to GBZ and set about looking for some of these very weak VLF signals you've not copied yet? G3XIZ is probably copyable by you in a bandwidth that will not take that long to display. Chris would appreciate the report. Likewise for some of the other less strong European VLF stations. If you need a suitable .usr file several people here will send you one. It is not hard to run a very stable and frequency accurate system - even I managed it with my crap set-up here, so for an expert like you it should be easy. We all understand you prefer real QSOs with good IDs but please, give it a go. You will enjoy it. 73s Roger G3XBM On 12 March 2011 16:17, mal hamilton wrote: > Some of you would believe anything !!!!!!!!!!!!! I expect you go every > Sunday and Wednesdays for Confession > Another version is nailed to the PLUS sign for those that cannot read > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* qrss@talktalk.net > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2011 3:25 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: VLF traces O/T sorry > > Hi Gary, Graham (Billy) LF > > No very radio that, I prefer Luke 14:28, (and it's not nail him to a > torture stake) > > Eddie > > On 12/03/2011 15:09, Gary - G4WGT wrote: > > Graham, LF, > > It looks pretty close to me, are you some kind of "book worm" > finding/knowing these quotes ?? Hi. > > 73, Gary - G4WGT. > > On 12 March 2011 11:47, Graham wrote: > >> >> >> Acts 20:35 may be applicable in this case ? >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "mal hamilton" >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 8:43 AM >> To: >> Subject: Re: LF: VLF traces >> >> >>> Yes Markus >>> But I do not intend to wait hours, weeks and months to observe a signal >>> at >>> rediculous narrow bandwidths. My limit of time is QRS 60 and preferably >>> Faster. >>> We need the transmitting stations to increase power ie more ERP then >>> there >>> would be no need for uH bandwidths and year long dashes hi >>> de mal/g3kev >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Markus Vester" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 9:30 PM >>> Subject: Re: LF: VLF traces >>> >>> >>> Dear Mal, >>>> >>>> with all due respect, I very much disagree here. >>>> >>>> Whenever I see a clear trace appear at the right time and within a >>>> milliHz >>>> of a confirmed and correctly calibrated frequency, I have hardly a doubt >>>> about the validity of the reception. Even more so if the transmission >>>> can >>>> >>> be >>> >>>> verified by comparison to a calibrated grabber in another location. >>>> >>>> It seems that the G3KEV antenna does have excellent sensitivity at VLF. >>>> It >>>> would be fantastic if you could augment that with a stable, properly >>>> calibrated, and narrowband reception system. SpecLab has made that so >>>> easy >>>> now - throw out the wildly drifting "receiver", connect your antenna >>>> directly to the soundcard instead, lock to one of your MSK neighbours >>>> (GBZ >>>> or GQD), and your in the game. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Markus (DF6NM) >>>> >>>> >>>> From: mal hamilton >>>> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 5:57 PM >>>> To: rsgb >>>> Subject: LF: VLF traces >>>> >>>> >>>> I can see a couple of vy weak traces around 8970 but this is no >>>> guarantee >>>> who it might be because there is no ID. Frequency alone is not a VALID >>>> report- it could be anything. >>>> G3KEV >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > -- g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ www.g3xbm.co.uk www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --90e6ba6e89c6100991049e4bc6b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Mal,

As Marcus said yesterday, why not download a suitable ver= sion of a Spectrum Lab .usr file locked to GBZ and set about looking for= some of these very weak VLF signals you've not copied yet? G3XIZ is= probably copyable by you in a bandwidth that will not take that long to= display. Chris would appreciate the report. Likewise for some of the othe= r less strong European VLF stations.

If you need a suitable .usr file several people here will send you one= . It is not hard to run a very stable and frequency accurate system - even= I managed it with my crap set-up here, so for an expert like you it shoul= d be easy.

We all understand you prefer real QSOs with good IDs but please, give= it a go. You will enjoy it.

73s
Roger G3XBM



On 12 March 2011 16:17, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net= > wrote:
Some of you would believe anything !!!!!!!!!!!!!= I expect=20 you go every Sunday and Wednesdays for Confession
Another version is nailed to the PLUS sign for= those that=20 cannot read
=A0
=A0
=A0
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 3:25=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: VLF traces O/T= =20 sorry

Hi Gary, Graham (Billy) LF

No very radio that, I= prefer=20 Luke 14:28, (and it's not nail him to a torture stake)

Eddie<= br>
On=20 12/03/2011 15:09, Gary - G4WGT wrote:=20
Graham, LF,=20

It looks pretty close to me, are you some kind of "book worm= "=20 finding/knowing these quotes ?? Hi.

73, Gary - G4WGT.

On 12 March 2011 11:47, Graham <g8f= zk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:


Ac= ts=20 20:35 =A0 may =A0be =A0applicable =A0in this case=20 ?

--------------------------------------------------
From:= "mal=20 hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Sent: Saturday,=20 March 12, 2011 8:43 AM
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Su= bject:=20 Re: LF: VLF traces


Yes= =20 Markus
But I do not intend to wait hours, weeks and months to= observe=20 a signal at
rediculous narrow bandwidths. My limit of time is= QRS 60=20 and preferably
Faster.
We need the transmitting stations to= =20 increase power ie more ERP then there
would be no need for uH= =20 bandwidths and year long dashes hi
de mal/g3kev

----- Or= iginal=20 Message -----
From: "Markus Vester" <markusvester@aol.com><= br>To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent:=20 Friday, March 11, 2011 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: LF: VLF=20 traces


Dear=20 Mal,

with all due respect, I very much disagree=20 here.

Whenever I see a clear trace appear at the right ti= me and=20 within a milliHz
of a confirmed and correctly calibrated freq= uency,=20 I have hardly a doubt
about the validity of the reception. Ev= en=20 more so if the transmission can
be
verifie= d=20 by comparison to a calibrated grabber in another location.
It=20 seems that the G3KEV antenna does have excellent sensitivity at= VLF.=20 It
would be fantastic if you could augment that with a stable= ,=20 properly
calibrated, and narrowband reception system. SpecLab= has=20 made that so easy
now - throw out the wildly drifting "r= eceiver",=20 connect your antenna
directly to the soundcard instead, lock= to one=20 of your MSK neighbours (GBZ
or GQD), and your in the=20 game.

Best regards,
Markus (DF6NM)


From: ma= l=20 hamilton
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 5:57 PM
To:=20 rsgb
Subject: LF: VLF traces


I can see a couple of= vy=20 weak traces around 8970 but this is no guarantee
who it might= be=20 because there is no ID. Frequency alone is not a VALID
report= - it=20 could be=20 anything.
G3KEV











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