Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mj04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mj04.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.88]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB011-85ed4d918650122; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:12:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mj04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2843238000075; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Q4T59-0005th-98 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:11:15 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Q4T58-0005tY-NM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:11:14 +0100 Received: from mail-iw0-f171.google.com ([209.85.214.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4T55-0003bS-Tn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:11:14 +0100 Received: by iwn8 with SMTP id 8so5447656iwn.16 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:11:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=bfFQ6zbzRIcvhvknaIQ47x6O03Yf8Wx/fdLV1F3hy8Q=; b=ul4N7dkOADA1WBanU3Il04Y0sJT09sNbfAPuFClHJTsigv5lBvUicOXyfD9UeazlPD jYMsPftnA1ug87Ecfod0Q32F7muU+baLOpG0Xn+yqHjrhb3nwtWZ7FPfBVRl9BLbjEXi OZTE+8tzBWNepojxbn8v3U9uM3xUf7lZV2+JQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=LvzGU3NkSwN1nPbdx0tToxq+srm1CH91Q2GpwlbfEtUpGOHE+4pRAEhSUtdNgIVy3E hNcZnysAfyQWWrL/OG5rFrLaBh31rKST2Cg0D7EHJnhDD2kMKdXEMwdo3wdtr8eZb1qf 9sGCygngPT2CebHPI9RIILpijPuMhlc5McHSA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.43.57.137 with SMTP id wg9mr8512182icb.365.1301382665567; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:11:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.240.129 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:11:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7840EC187F9F46898DD63AF72FE117BF@JimPC> References: <757249.10503.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <52DA83374E134FAA82C30CA6C5AA8796@JimPC> <33FB0F1A8E00405A81DDFA2BB3645CFA@JimPC> <55474964CC1F4840B547FC6FB5A55228@JimPC> <7840EC187F9F46898DD63AF72FE117BF@JimPC> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:11:05 +0100 Message-ID: From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: M0BMU 500kHz /P Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec51dd7517f7dfe049f99c322 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m025.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039400c89a84d9186451e97 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --bcaec51dd7517f7dfe049f99c322 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks for the information Jim. The 15.3m fibre glass pole looks useful. I presume this was one bought from an internet supplier and that it collapses down for transportation. I can just make out some guy wires in the photo. Next time I'll get better organised for a 2-way QSO. 73s Roger G3XBM On 29 March 2011 00:47, James Moritz wrote: > Dear Dennis, Roger, LF Group, > > Thanks for the additional reports for M0BMU/P. Here are some details of the > station - see the attachment for pictures: > > The TX antenna was a 15.3m fibreglass mast with 4 x 10m long top loading > wires sloping down to just over 9m. The ground system was 4 x 1m ground rods > spaced on a 2m circle round the base of the mast. The antenna was tuned with > approx 300uH fixed inductance near the base of the mast, and connected to > the 18 - 70 uH fine tuning variometer in the shack about 15m away by a > transmission line wire about 1.5m above the ground. The antenna ground was > also connected to the tuner via a return wire about 300mm off the ground. > The tuner contained the variometer, ferrite cored matching transformer, and > a common mode choke to isolate the antenna ground return from the shack > ground. This arrangement puts the tuning and matching controls in the shack, > and I found it was easy to adjust, with no problems due to unwanted > resonances or ground loops. The total antenna resistance was only about > 11ohms, including 2 or 3 ohms due to the loading coil and variometer, so > antenna current was approx. 3A with 100W PA output. I estimate the antenna > effective height was 11m, giving Rrad of 0.53ohm, and ERP of 8.6W. > > The receive antenna was a single K9AY terminated loop, oriented to reject > wideband noise coming from the Brookmans Park BC site to the west, and give > good reception of Eu stations from the east. I found a terminating resistor > of about 200ohms gave a good null - this is rather lower than the values > quoted for the HF bands. The RX antenna was positioned about 50m from the TX > antenna, to minimise interaction, and give the RX preamplifier an easier > life! > > I used my 200W EER transverter rig, although just for CW on this occasion, > driven by an IC-718 as the IF. The minimalist shack ("hutch" might be a > better name for it :-)) was supplied with 130m of mains cable going to an > outbuilding and into a slightly dodgy mains socket, but much less hassle > than a generator or batteries. It was also quite handy to be able to follow > the cable and find the gate in the dark! > > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --bcaec51dd7517f7dfe049f99c322 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the information Jim. The 15.3m fibre glass pole looks useful.= I presume this was one bought from an internet supplier and that it colla= pses down for transportation.=A0 I can just make out some guy wires in the= photo.

Next time I'll get better organised for a 2-way QSO.

73sRoger G3XBM

On 29 March 2011 00:47, Jam= es Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:
Dear Dennis, Roger, LF Group,

Thanks for the additional reports for M0BMU/P. Here are some details of th= e station - see the attachment for pictures:

The TX antenna was a 15.3m fibreglass mast with 4 x 10m long top loading= wires sloping down to just over 9m. The ground system was 4 x 1m ground= rods spaced on a 2m circle round the base of the mast. The antenna was tu= ned with approx 300uH fixed inductance near the base of the mast, and conn= ected to the 18 - 70 uH fine tuning variometer in the shack about 15m away= by a transmission line wire about 1.5m above the ground. The antenna grou= nd was also connected to the tuner via a return wire about 300mm off the= ground. The tuner contained the variometer, ferrite cored matching transf= ormer, and a common mode choke to isolate the antenna ground return from= the shack ground. This arrangement puts the tuning and matching controls= in the shack, and I found it was easy to adjust, with no problems due to= unwanted resonances or ground loops. The total antenna resistance was onl= y about 11ohms, including 2 or 3 ohms due to the loading coil and variomet= er, so antenna current was approx. 3A with 100W PA output. I estimate the= antenna effective height was 11m, giving Rrad of 0.53ohm, and ERP of 8.6W= .

The receive antenna was a single K9AY terminated loop, oriented to reject= wideband noise coming from the Brookmans Park BC site to the west, and gi= ve good reception of Eu stations from the east. I found a terminating resi= stor of about 200ohms gave a good null - this is rather lower than the val= ues quoted for the HF bands. The RX antenna was positioned about 50m from= the TX antenna, to minimise interaction, and give the RX preamplifier an= easier life!

I used my 200W EER transverter rig, although just for CW on this occasion,= driven by an IC-718 as the IF. The minimalist shack ("hutch" mi= ght be a better name for it :-)) was supplied with 130m of mains cable goi= ng to an outbuilding and into a slightly dodgy mains socket, but much less= hassle than a generator or batteries. It was also quite handy to be able= to follow the cable and find the gate in the dark!


Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
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G3XBM=A0=A0 GQRP 1678= =A0=A0=A0 ISWL G11088
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