Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mp04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mp04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.193.72]) by air-db10.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB101-85fc4d8f784327; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 13:47:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 669FE380002E5; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 13:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Q3u35-0005at-Mh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:46:47 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Q3u34-0005ak-RP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:46:46 +0100 Received: from mk-outboundfilter-5.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.1]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3u31-0001J4-Sn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:46:46 +0100 X-Trace: 364029597/mk-outboundfilter-5.mail.uk.tiscali.com/PIPEX/$PIPEX-ACCEPTED/pipex-temporary-group/88.110.159.76/None/c.r.dillon@dsl.pipex.com X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.110.159.76 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: c.r.dillon@dsl.pipex.com X-SMTP-AUTH: c.r.dillon%dsl.pipex.com X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApEBADR3j01Ybp9M/2dsb2JhbAAM5iyFaQSBeo5Fgzc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,251,1299456000"; d="scan'208,217";a="364029597" X-IP-Direction: OUT Received: from 88-110-159-76.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([88.110.159.76]) by smtp.pipex.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 27 Mar 2011 18:46:36 +0100 Message-ID: <4D8F77FB.9060403@dsl.pipex.com> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:46:35 +0100 From: Chris Dillon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <464172.58978.qm@web28503.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4D8F6513.3020100@talktalk.net> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: G3XIZ today? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030701050502060307040209" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1484d8f783e71d1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------030701050502060307040209 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Chris and Roger - your signal disappeared with me too Chris when you reduced power. Until then it was about 5dB above the noise with a bin size of 715uHz. I was monitoring since you started transmitting and I would send you a screen shot but just now I accidentally cleared the screen! I thought it was interesting that Mike G3XDV also reported gaps in your signal yesterday - although at 3 hours spacing they were more regular than they were with me. Would be interested in trying a QRP test when the noise is lower see if I can receive your signals - also with you Roger if you are thinking of having a go at transmitting on your loop. 73 Chris G3WCD On 27/03/2011 17:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote: > The evening (TV and lights interference) is now rising Chris, so I > think there is little chance in trying with QRP tonight. Attached is > the latest screen grab showing the signal disappearing here at the > point you dropped the PA current. > > Thanks again for the test. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > On 27 March 2011 17:35, Roger Lapthorn > wrote: > > Thanks for trying this QRP level too Chris. Nothing seen in 424uHz > BW after that time here, although Eddie is still getting you OK. > > If you are remaining on for a few more hours (please) I will try > with a narrower setting. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > > > > On 27 March 2011 17:25, qrss@talktalk.net > > wrote: > > Hi Chris > > That's great, did you reduce power, you are still a good > signal here, keep your eye on my grabs, I am going off watch > for a while. > > QRP rules OK. > > 73 Eddie G3ZJO > > On 27/03/2011 16:29, Chris Osborn wrote: >> Thanks for the ongoing reports Roger. >> >> It's odd that despite the same settings and aerial current >> here my reports seem to vary quite widely from day to day. >> I'm wondering what the other variables are . . . >> >> I'm preparing a spread sheet of my VLF reports and will send >> you a copy when it's done. >> >> There's no problem with my reducing power and at 15.30Z >> (16.30 UK clock) I'll reduce the PA current to 1/10th its >> present setting. >> >> 73 Chris G3XIZ >> >> --- On *Sun, 27/3/11, Roger Lapthorn >> / /* >> wrote: >> >> >> From: Roger Lapthorn >> >> Subject: Re: LF: G3XIZ today? >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> >> Date: Sunday, 27 March, 2011, 15:56 >> >> Chris >> >> Judging by your signal level, you might just be >> detectable here with 10-20dB less, especially if I wound >> the RX bandwidth down a bit more. We should try this >> sometime. It would be impressive to detect you with real >> QRP at your end. >> >> 73s >> Roger G3XBM >> >> On 27 March 2011 15:53, Roger Lapthorn >> > > wrote: >> >> Chris >> >> Your good signal continues. >> >> Using Spectrum Lab at 424uHz bandwidth certainly does >> the trick. BTW I also looked for you with Spectran in >> QRSS30, but not a sign with this. Antenna here is >> still the 80m wire loop in the garden. I hope to have >> an outside E-field probe set-up for next weekend and >> we can compare results although looking for DK7FC >> will be a priority. >> >> 73s >> Roger G3XBM >> >> >> On 27 March 2011 13:44, Roger Lapthorn >> > > wrote: >> >> Looks like you are around 20dB over the noise >> Chris. Impressive. Will send you a decent image >> when it has run for a few hours. >> >> 73s >> Roger G3XBM >> >> >> On 27 March 2011 13:28, Roger Lapthorn >> > > >> wrote: >> >> Thanks Chris. >> >> My grabber >> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15047843/xbm_grab.jpg is >> running if you want to check S/N level here. >> >> 73s >> Roger G3XBM >> >> >> On 27 March 2011 12:38, Chris Osborn >> > > wrote: >> >> Hello Roger, >> >> I hadn't planned to TX today but as >> you're looking I'll go and turn the TX on >> 8.976 661 6 kc >> >> 73 Chris XIZ >> >> --- On *Sun, 27/3/11, Roger Lapthorn >> /> >/* >> wrote: >> >> >> From: Roger Lapthorn >> > > >> Subject: LF: G3XIZ today? >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> , >> "Chris Osborn" > > >> Date: Sunday, 27 March, 2011, 12:33 >> >> >> Chris >> >> I have been looking for you around >> 8.97666 all (Sunday) morning, but >> nothing seen here on the loop. Are >> you TXing? >> >> 73s >> Roger G3XBM >> >> -- >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm >> https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ >> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm >> https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ >> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >> >> >> >> >> -- >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm >> https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ >> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >> >> >> >> >> -- >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm >> https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ >> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >> >> >> >> >> -- >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm >> https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ >> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >> >> > > > > > -- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm > https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > > > > -- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm > https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --------------030701050502060307040209 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Chris and Roger - your signal disappeared with me too Chris when you reduced power. Until then it was about 5dB above the noise with a bin size of 715uHz. I was monitoring since you started transmitting and I would send you a screen shot but just now I accidentally cleared the screen!

I thought it was interesting that Mike G3XDV also reported gaps in your signal yesterday - although at 3 hours spacing they were more regular than they were with me.

Would be interested in trying a QRP test when the noise is lower see if I can receive your signals - also with you Roger if you are thinking of having a go at transmitting on your loop.

73 Chris G3WCD

On 27/03/2011 17:48, Roger Lapthorn wrote:
The evening (TV and lights interference) is now rising Chris, so I think there is little chance in trying with QRP tonight. Attached is the latest screen grab showing the signal disappearing here at the point you dropped the PA current.

Thanks again for the test.

73s
Roger G3XBM

On 27 March 2011 17:35, Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for trying this QRP level too Chris. Nothing seen in 424uHz BW after that time here, although Eddie is still getting you OK.

If you are remaining on for a few more hours (please) I will try with a narrower setting.

73s
Roger G3XBM




On 27 March 2011 17:25, qrss@talktalk.net <qrss@talktalk.net> wrote:
Hi Chris

That's great, did you reduce power, you are still a good signal here, keep your eye on my grabs, I am going off watch for a while.

QRP rules OK.

73 Eddie G3ZJO

On 27/03/2011 16:29, Chris Osborn wrote:
Thanks for the ongoing reports Roger.

It's odd that despite the same settings and aerial current here my reports seem to vary quite widely from day to day.
I'm wondering what the other variables are . . .

I'm preparing a spread sheet of my VLF reports and will send you a copy when it's done.

There's no problem with my reducing power and at 15.30Z (16.30 UK clock) I'll reduce the PA current to 1/10th its present setting.

73 Chris G3XIZ

--- On Sun, 27/3/11, Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: LF: G3XIZ today?
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Sunday, 27 March, 2011, 15:56

Chris

Judging by your signal level, you might just be detectable here with 10-20dB less, especially if I wound the RX bandwidth down a bit more. We should try this sometime. It would be impressive to detect you with real QRP at your end.

73s
Roger G3XBM

On 27 March 2011 15:53, Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Chris

Your good signal continues.

Using Spectrum Lab at 424uHz bandwidth certainly does the trick. BTW I also looked for you with Spectran in QRSS30, but not a sign with this. Antenna here is still the 80m wire loop in the garden. I hope to have an outside E-field probe set-up for next weekend and we can compare results although looking for DK7FC will be a priority.

73s
Roger G3XBM


On 27 March 2011 13:44, Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Looks like you are around 20dB over the noise Chris. Impressive. Will send you a decent image when it has run for a few hours.

73s
Roger G3XBM


On 27 March 2011 13:28, Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Chris.

My grabber https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15047843/xbm_grab.jpg is running if you want to check S/N level here.

73s
Roger G3XBM


On 27 March 2011 12:38, Chris Osborn <g3xiz@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hello Roger,

I hadn't planned to TX today but as you're looking I'll go and turn the TX on
8.976 661 6 kc

73 Chris XIZ

--- On Sun, 27/3/11, Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>
Subject: LF: G3XIZ today?
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, "Chris Osborn" <g3xiz@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Sunday, 27 March, 2011, 12:33


Chris

I have been looking for you around 8.97666 all (Sunday) morning, but nothing seen here on the loop. Are you TXing?

73s
Roger G3XBM

--
http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm
https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/
G3XBM   GQRP 1678    ISWL G11088




--
http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm
https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/
G3XBM   GQRP 1678    ISWL G11088



--
http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm
https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/
G3XBM   GQRP 1678    ISWL G11088



--
http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm
https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/
G3XBM   GQRP 1678    ISWL G11088



--
http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm
https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/
G3XBM   GQRP 1678    ISWL G11088





--
http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm
https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/
G3XBM   GQRP 1678    ISWL G11088



--
http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm
https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/
G3XBM   GQRP 1678    ISWL G11088

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