Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dk01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dk01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.180.5]) by air-mc03.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC031-a8db4d7ba130f9; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 11:37:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3DFE73800009A; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 11:37:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PyRnK-0003OT-Cr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:35:58 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PyRnJ-0003OK-OK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:35:57 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PyRnH-0001ms-R4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:35:57 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3428.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C1C331C0008F for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:35:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3428.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AEF3C1C0005E for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:35:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.77.37]) by mwinf3428.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 2772C1C0008F for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:35:47 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20110312163547161.2772C1C0008F@mwinf3428.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <19D9B4DBC82D4E0B8E3763D90FA619FD@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <006301cbe00d$762f0220$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <001501cbe091$863ebf50$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <5DA936C746C7432AA6E833B9CACE239F@AGB> <4D7B905D.2030103@talktalk.net> In-Reply-To: <4D7B905D.2030103@talktalk.net> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:35:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110312-0, 12/03/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: VLF traces O/T sorry Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01CBE0D3.89B89DD0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=CELL_PHONE_BOOST,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4054d7ba12e481e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01CBE0D3.89B89DD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable G , In the beginning was the Web , and the Web begat Google . .= . . =20 Ed , Thought Mal was more of a 'string and canvass' long= wire disciple , than exotic 'Towers' ? G..=20 Ps - Gary you still have the link to the Arctic hydrophones (f= ish bongs ?) From: qrss@talktalk.net=20 Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 3:25 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: VLF traces O/T sorry Hi Gary, Graham (Billy) LF No very radio that, I prefer Luke 14:28, (and it's not nail him to a= torture stake) Eddie On 12/03/2011 15:09, Gary - G4WGT wrote:=20 Graham, LF,=20 It looks pretty close to me, are you some kind of "book worm" findin= g/knowing these quotes ?? Hi. 73, Gary - G4WGT. On 12 March 2011 11:47, Graham wrote: Acts 20:35 may be applicable in this case ? -------------------------------------------------- From: "mal hamilton" Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 8:43 AM To: Subject: Re: LF: VLF traces Yes Markus But I do not intend to wait hours, weeks and months to observe= a signal at rediculous narrow bandwidths. My limit of time is QRS 60 and pre= ferably Faster. We need the transmitting stations to increase power ie more ERP= then there would be no need for uH bandwidths and year long dashes hi de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Markus Vester" To: Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 9:30 PM Subject: Re: LF: VLF traces Dear Mal, with all due respect, I very much disagree here. Whenever I see a clear trace appear at the right time and with= in a milliHz of a confirmed and correctly calibrated frequency, I have hard= ly a doubt about the validity of the reception. Even more so if the trans= mission can be verified by comparison to a calibrated grabber in another loca= tion. It seems that the G3KEV antenna does have excellent sensitivit= y at VLF. It would be fantastic if you could augment that with a stable, pr= operly calibrated, and narrowband reception system. SpecLab has made= that so easy now - throw out the wildly drifting "receiver", connect your= antenna directly to the soundcard instead, lock to one of your MSK nei= ghbours (GBZ or GQD), and your in the game. Best regards, Markus (DF6NM) From: mal hamilton Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 5:57 PM To: rsgb Subject: LF: VLF traces I can see a couple of vy weak traces around 8970 but this is= no guarantee who it might be because there is no ID. Frequency alone is not= a VALID report- it could be anything. G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01CBE0D3.89B89DD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
G ,   In the beginning was the Web , and the Web = =20 begat  Google  . . . .  
 
Ed ,   Thought  = Mal =20 was  more  of a  'string  and  canvass'  = ;=20 long  wire  disciple , than  exotic  'Towers' ?
 
G..
 
Ps - Gary   you  still=   have=20 the  link to the  Arctic  hydrophones  (fish&= nbsp;=20 bongs ?)
 
 

Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: LF: VLF traces O/T sorry

Hi Gary, Graham (Billy) LF

No very radio that,= I prefer=20 Luke 14:28, (and it's not nail him to a torture stake)

Eddie
On=20 12/03/2011 15:09, Gary - G4WGT wrote:=20
Graham, LF,=20

It looks pretty close to me, are you some kind of "book worm"= =20 finding/knowing these quotes ?? Hi.

73, Gary - G4WGT.

On 12 March 2011 11:47, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

Acts 20:35   may  be  applicable=20  in this case=20 ?

--------------------------------------------------
Fro= m: "mal=20 hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
S= ent: Saturday,=20 March 12, 2011 8:43 AM
To: <r= sgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Subject: Re:=20 LF: VLF traces


Yes Markus
But I do not intend to wait hours,=20 weeks and months to observe a signal at
rediculous narrow ban= dwidths.=20 My limit of time is QRS 60 and preferably
Faster.
We need= the=20 transmitting stations to increase power ie more ERP then therewould be=20 no need for uH bandwidths and year long dashes hi
de=20 mal/g3kev

----- Original Message -----
From: "Markus= Vester"=20 <markusvester@aol.com>
To: <= ;rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org&g= t;
Sent:=20 Friday, March 11, 2011 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: LF: VLF traces

Dear Mal,

with all due respect, I very much=20 disagree here.

Whenever I see a clear trace appear at= the right=20 time and within a milliHz
of a confirmed and correctly cali= brated=20 frequency, I have hardly a doubt
about the validity of the= reception.=20 Even more so if the transmission can
be
verified by comparison to a calibrated grabber in=20 another location.

It seems that the G3KEV antenna does= have=20 excellent sensitivity at VLF. It
would be fantastic if you= could=20 augment that with a stable, properly
calibrated, and narrow= band=20 reception system. SpecLab has made that so easy
now - throw= out the=20 wildly drifting "receiver", connect your antenna
directly= to the=20 soundcard instead, lock to one of your MSK neighbours (GBZ
= or GQD),=20 and your in the game.

Best regards,
Markus=20 (DF6NM)


From: mal hamilton
Sent: Friday, March= 11, 2011=20 5:57 PM
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: VLF traces


I ca= n see a=20 couple of vy weak traces around 8970 but this is no guarantee<= BR>who it=20 might be because there is no ID. Frequency alone is not a=20 VALID
report- it could be=20 anything.
G3KEV













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