Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mj03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mj03.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.87]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB043-a2c14d7ba6661ea; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 11:59:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mj03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AF3583800008D; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 11:59:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PyS9F-0003xj-C0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:58:37 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PyS9E-0003xa-O3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:58:36 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PyS9C-0002G8-N4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:58:36 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhUBACM1e01Ok8Z5/2dsb2JhbACUfgODdA6NP3e/Y4J+gmQEgXSORoMI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.62,308,1297036800"; d="scan'208,217";a="327177358" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.198.121]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 12 Mar 2011 16:58:28 +0000 Message-ID: <010501cbe0d6$b21f9af0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <006301cbe00d$762f0220$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf><001501cbe091$863ebf50$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf><5DA936C746C7432AA6E833B9CACE239F@AGB><4D7B905D.2030103@talktalk.net><00d801cbe0d0$f0a67010$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:58:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: VLF traces O/T sorry Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0102_01CBE0D6.B1F24960" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=CELL_PHONE_BOOST,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039400c89a64d7ba6641407 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ------=_NextPart_000_0102_01CBE0D6.B1F24960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable See my previous message addressed to Tracy this applies also to u g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 4:43 PM Subject: Re: LF: VLF traces O/T sorry Dear Mal, As Marcus said yesterday, why not download a suitable version of a= Spectrum Lab .usr file locked to GBZ and set about looking for some= of these very weak VLF signals you've not copied yet? G3XIZ is probab= ly copyable by you in a bandwidth that will not take that long to disp= lay. Chris would appreciate the report. Likewise for some of the other= less strong European VLF stations.=20 If you need a suitable .usr file several people here will send you= one. It is not hard to run a very stable and frequency accurate syste= m - even I managed it with my crap set-up here, so for an expert like= you it should be easy. We all understand you prefer real QSOs with good IDs but please, giv= e it a go. You will enjoy it. 73s Roger G3XBM On 12 March 2011 16:17, mal hamilton wrote: Some of you would believe anything !!!!!!!!!!!!! I expect you go= every Sunday and Wednesdays for Confession Another version is nailed to the PLUS sign for those that cannot= read ----- Original Message -----=20 From: qrss@talktalk.net=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 3:25 PM Subject: Re: LF: VLF traces O/T sorry Hi Gary, Graham (Billy) LF No very radio that, I prefer Luke 14:28, (and it's not nail him= to a torture stake) Eddie On 12/03/2011 15:09, Gary - G4WGT wrote:=20 Graham, LF,=20 It looks pretty close to me, are you some kind of "book worm"= finding/knowing these quotes ?? Hi. 73, Gary - G4WGT. On 12 March 2011 11:47, Graham wrote= : Acts 20:35 may be applicable in this case ? -------------------------------------------------- From: "mal hamilton" Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 8:43 AM To: Subject: Re: LF: VLF traces Yes Markus But I do not intend to wait hours, weeks and months to obs= erve a signal at rediculous narrow bandwidths. My limit of time is QRS 60= and preferably Faster. We need the transmitting stations to increase power ie mor= e ERP then there would be no need for uH bandwidths and year long dashes hi de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Markus Vester" To: Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 9:30 PM Subject: Re: LF: VLF traces Dear Mal, with all due respect, I very much disagree here. Whenever I see a clear trace appear at the right time an= d within a milliHz of a confirmed and correctly calibrated frequency, I hav= e hardly a doubt about the validity of the reception. Even more so if the= transmission can be verified by comparison to a calibrated grabber in anothe= r location. It seems that the G3KEV antenna does have excellent sens= itivity at VLF. It would be fantastic if you could augment that with a stab= le, properly calibrated, and narrowband reception system. SpecLab has= made that so easy now - throw out the wildly drifting "receiver", connect= your antenna directly to the soundcard instead, lock to one of your= MSK neighbours (GBZ or GQD), and your in the game. Best regards, Markus (DF6NM) From: mal hamilton Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 5:57 PM To: rsgb Subject: LF: VLF traces I can see a couple of vy weak traces around 8970 but thi= s is no guarantee who it might be because there is no ID. Frequency alone= is not a VALID report- it could be anything. G3KEV --=20 g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ www.g3xbm.co.uk www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_0102_01CBE0D6.B1F24960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
See my previous message addressed to Tracy thi= s applies=20 also to u
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 201= 1 4:43=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: VLF traces= O/T=20 sorry

Dear Mal,

As Marcus said yesterday, why not do= wnload a=20 suitable version of a Spectrum Lab .usr file locked to GBZ and set= about=20 looking for some of these very weak VLF signals you've not copied ye= t? G3XIZ=20 is probably copyable by you in a bandwidth that will not take that= long to=20 display. Chris would appreciate the report. Likewise for some of the= other=20 less strong European VLF stations.

If you need a suitable .u= sr file=20 several people here will send you one. It is not hard to run a very= stable and=20 frequency accurate system - even I managed it with my crap set-up he= re, so for=20 an expert like you it should be easy.

We all understand you= prefer real=20 QSOs with good IDs but please, give it a go. You will enjoy=20 it.

73s
Roger G3XBM



On 12 March 2011 16:17, mal hamilton <g3kevm= al@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:
Some of you would believe anything !!!!!!!= !!!!!! I=20 expect you go every Sunday and Wednesdays for Confession
Another version is nailed to the PLUS sign= for those=20 that cannot read
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 12,= 2011 3:25=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: VLF trac= es O/T=20 sorry

Hi Gary, Graham (Billy) LF

No very radio= that, I=20 prefer Luke 14:28, (and it's not nail him to a torture=20 stake)

Eddie

On 12/03/2011 15:09, Gary - G4WGT wro= te:=20
Graham, LF,=20

It looks pretty close to me, are you some kind of "book= worm"=20 finding/knowing these quotes ?? Hi.

73, Gary - G4WGT.

On 12 March 2011 11:47, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote= :


Acts=20 20:35   may  be  applicable  in this cas= e=20 ?

--------------------------------------------------<= BR>From:=20 "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Sent: Sa= turday, March=20 12, 2011 8:43 AM
To: <rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org>
Subject: Re: LF:=20 VLF traces


Yes=20 Markus
But I do not intend to wait hours, weeks and mon= ths to=20 observe a signal at
rediculous narrow bandwidths. My li= mit of=20 time is QRS 60 and preferably
Faster.
We need the tr= ansmitting=20 stations to increase power ie more ERP then there
would= be no=20 need for uH bandwidths and year long dashes hi
de=20 mal/g3kev

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ma= rkus=20 Vester" <markusvester@aol.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Fr= iday,=20 March 11, 2011 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: LF: VLF traces
<= BR>
Dear=20 Mal,

with all due respect, I very much disagree= =20 here.

Whenever I see a clear trace appear at the= right time=20 and within a milliHz
of a confirmed and correctly cal= ibrated=20 frequency, I have hardly a doubt
about the validity= of the=20 reception. Even more so if the transmission=20 can
be
verified=20 by comparison to a calibrated grabber in another=20 location.

It seems that the G3KEV antenna does ha= ve=20 excellent sensitivity at VLF. It
would be fantastic= if you=20 could augment that with a stable, properly
calibrated= , and=20 narrowband reception system. SpecLab has made that so ea= sy
now=20 - throw out the wildly drifting "receiver", connect your= =20 antenna
directly to the soundcard instead, lock to on= e of your=20 MSK neighbours (GBZ
or GQD), and your in the game.
Best=20 regards,
Markus (DF6NM)


From: mal hamilton=
Sent:=20 Friday, March 11, 2011 5:57 PM
To: rsgb
Subject:= LF: VLF=20 traces


I can see a couple of vy weak traces= around 8970=20 but this is no guarantee
who it might be because ther= e is no=20 ID. Frequency alone is not a VALID
report- it could= be=20 anything.
G3KEV





<= BR>




=



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