Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.83]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB081-a7d34d53a992dd; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 04:02:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7E9C9380000A8; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 04:02:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PnSOg-0004Pm-PB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:01:06 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PnSOg-0004Pd-7q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:01:06 +0000 Received: from mhost02h.leeds.ac.uk ([129.11.77.151]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PnSOe-0006Dt-F7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:01:06 +0000 Received: from APOLLO1.ds.leeds.ac.uk (apollo1.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.5.4]) by mhost02h.leeds.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p1A90wdA023644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:00:58 GMT Received: from HERMES8.ds.leeds.ac.uk ([fe80::c078:16b5:73cf:6fbc]) by APOLLO1.ds.leeds.ac.uk ([129.11.5.4]) with mapi; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:00:58 +0000 From: Chris Trayner To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:00:56 +0000 Thread-Topic: LF: how to get ground rod ressitance low Thread-Index: AcvJAQhehFVIhA7fQOiPGVqloTcj1g== Message-ID: References: <4D53AE84.6932.312944@jurgenb2.3sdesign.de> In-Reply-To: <4D53AE84.6932.312944@jurgenb2.3sdesign.de> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: how to get ground rod ressitance low Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40534d53a990177f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Jurgen, > I just discovered that my ground rod isn't ideal by having the assumed= 0 ohm to=20 > earth. Measuring with 10VDC the current from neutral/waterpipe to the ro= d gives=20 > about 140 ohms.=20 For cave radio, where we use earth connections, we typically get a few hun= dred ohms. We are normally in shallow soil over rock, though, so maybe you= could do better. > I use a 8mm rod 1m long in wet soil. I put in another one and tried seve= ral=20 > places nearby and got it a bit lower, but far away from ideal. > So I assume the surface size is too small, one the other hand I want a= small=20 > rod that can be pulled out with ease in spring when the season is over. The surface area is certainly important - the current is concentrated as= it gets nearer the electrode, like a traffic jam. The resistance close in= to the electrode dominates the total resistance. For cave radio we tend to use several short electrodes, maybe half a dozen= or so. We do this because it is impossible to drive long rods into shallo= w stony soil, but you might find it a useful trick. The rule of thumb is= to space them apart by comfortably more than their length: twice should= be enough. We've played with different layouts (straight line of pegs, ci= rcles, ...) but it doesn't seem to make much difference. We normally use tent pegs. You can get metal ones that are L-shaped in cro= ss section. This gives you a large surface area but a small cross-section= area (easy to drive in). They normally have a bent-over top, so you can= put a bar under it to lever them out. When I used longer tubes for earths, I drilled a horizontal hole through= the top from side to side. Then I could put a screwdriver through the hol= es to make a handle to pull them up by. 73, Chris G4OKW ----------------------- Dr Chris Trayner School of Electronic & Electrical Engineering, The University of Leeds, Leeds LS2 9JT, United Kingdom Tel: +44 113 34 32053 Fax: +44 113 34 32032