Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.82]) by air-db02.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB021-85ee4d51aed51af; Tue, 08 Feb 2011 16:00:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 81A6F3800019D; Tue, 8 Feb 2011 16:00:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PmueC-0006Gd-6g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Feb 2011 20:58:52 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PmueB-0006GU-Dq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Feb 2011 20:58:51 +0000 Received: from mail-iw0-f171.google.com ([209.85.214.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Pmue8-0002Ou-Eu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Feb 2011 20:58:51 +0000 Received: by iwn2 with SMTP id 2so6249535iwn.16 for ; Tue, 08 Feb 2011 12:58:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=lwBhoNZu22CYRiRzFzlOFJine4YXIPSgcFrX7F+LMtQ=; b=kYinqu5XfpZQCESkITVeDAfYlXFVHgqyiG3/tCFcxF2tZReZlKYvzpFyqzIqKj3sOS eC00sHXcBAUY432kNPk3s69hGv1l71TS9DTQ3+T19ctp3A4D2Sx2XWi6dTCaNZ3VzgPO rUNKV/zXPbAogOQ+S247R+SVWQHQIXQkg6T0g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=jRYsLEWr4JvcKrl9i4qOSF4HT560aygIpdFmCDxKHh3Q2DC2JaOclQNJxcb/xEchey 70NhnaGVrW7lkww50Hwdoxh1Yx2tspAD9LoC+1ifl9z33UzIE9cYJL5CXIn3eBBuEs84 sKhYYJJqWSYw4Nudh6bppoRZFzYSavzviPvn0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.219.65 with SMTP id ht1mr20734200icb.393.1297198721961; Tue, 08 Feb 2011 12:58:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.220.4 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Feb 2011 12:58:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <003c01cbc7c7$6e8f1040$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <001801cbc795$fb507640$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <198556EF-DE6A-4F7D-AC2D-CFDB87F3CA2F@gmail.com> <003c01cbc7c7$6e8f1040$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 20:58:41 +0000 Message-ID: From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: VLF/LF QSO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054961d0690c2049bcb9d8f X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m221.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40524d51aed23d1c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --20cf3054961d0690c2049bcb9d8f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Mal. Actually I think if you got an NoV and became active on 8-9kHz it would be a real stimulus to others too and you'd enjoy the challenge. Although I know you don't much like beaconing and prefer real QSOs (I can understand this) providing a good strong and stable G3KEV signal on the band would be very useful indeed to others. You've already proved that your receiving system is good and it doesn't require too much more from people like G3XIZ and G4WGT (further north) for a slowish DFCW or QRSS QSO to be on the cards later this year. So, some inter-G Dreamer's Band radiated QSOs are not that remote a possibility. Internationally there are 3-4 stations lining up to work you. You've done so much already on the LF bands and this would be a real opportunity for you to contribute and win some new records. Actually I think you've been quite surprised by what has proved possible on this band and wouldn't mind giving it a go really, HI. If it helps with preparing yours, I'm happy to send you a copy of my own 9kHz NoV submission to OFCOM and I'm sure that others would too. Finally, have you thought about setting up a grabber for VLF, if only to be used during specific tests? Using Dropbox (thanks to John GM4SLV for this suggestion) and Spectrum Lab or Spectran it is extremely easy to set up. Although I'm no expert, I'm happy to share how I did it, if it helps. Judging by the results at the weekend, a grabber at your QTH would be very useful. All the best 73s Roger G3XBM On 8 February 2011 19:36, mal hamilton wrote: > Tnx Roger for the Met office details. > I will approach the 9 Khz slowly and in two stages. > Stage 1 > When I have worked all of the UK stations that are active on 137 Khz on > either CW or QRS3, most of whom I have not yet heard in spite of the fact I > am working all around EU and Russia daily. > > > Stage 2 > When I am able to hear/see the UK stations with NOV'S active on 9 Khz, none > detected so far, although I am able to copy DK7FC and OE5ODL in QRS3 mode. > > I specify the above criteria because it would be counter productive for me > to embark on a project where there would be noone to communicate with. > I think UK amateurs would need to think in terms of Kilowatts and Amps on > the lower frequencies like they do in EU and the USA. > otherwise VLF/LF/MF will turn out to be a DAMP SQUIB. > 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Roger Lapthorn > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 08, 2011 4:22 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: VLF/LF QSO > > Hi Mal > > The only requirement is to inform the Met Office when you'll be on-air - > they always say OK - (they do this so they can check if they've had > interference to their sensitive monitoring gear) and to submit logs. You > would be a most valuable member of the Dreamers and I urge you to submit an > NoV application. Looking forward to receiving your big signals soon. > > All the best > Roger G3XBM > > Via my 2.4GHz handheld (iPod Touch 4g) > > On 8 Feb 2011, at 13:42, "mal hamilton" wrote: > > Stefan es Ossi when you are ready for a QSO let me know. > From recent observations on both signals I am satisfied that I can receive > both at a satisfactory level for a QSO at between QRS 3 and QRS 30 depending > on condx at the actual time. I will reply xband on either 137.7 Khz or 502.6 > Khz if you can receive satisfactory on those frequencies. I do not have a > permit for TX on 9 Khz and then I think one can only TX at a time convenient > to the UK Met office. > > Pse advise when you are QRV > 73 De Mal/g3kev > > > -- g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ www.g3xbm.co.uk www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 <#> <#> <#> <#> --20cf3054961d0690c2049bcb9d8f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Mal.

Actually I think if you got an NoV and became active on= 8-9kHz it would be a real stimulus to others too and you'd enjoy the= challenge. Although I know you don't much like beaconing and prefer= real QSOs (I can understand this) providing a good strong and stable G3KE= V signal on the band would be very useful indeed to others.

You've already proved that your receiving system is good and it do= esn't require too much more from people like G3XIZ and G4WGT (further= north) for a slowish DFCW or QRSS QSO to be on the cards later this year.= So, some inter-G Dreamer's Band radiated QSOs are not that remote a= possibility. Internationally there are 3-4 stations lining up to work you= .

You've done so much already on the LF bands and this would be a re= al opportunity for you to contribute and win some new records. Actually I= think you've been quite surprised by what has proved possible on this= band and wouldn't mind giving it a go really, HI.=A0 If it helps with= preparing yours, I'm happy to send you a copy of my own 9kHz NoV subm= ission to OFCOM and I'm sure that others would too.

Finally, have you thought about setting up a grabber for VLF, if only= to be used during specific tests? Using Dropbox (thanks to John GM4SLV for this suggestion) and Spectrum La= b or Spectran it is extremely easy to set up. Although I'm no expert,= I'm happy to share how I did it, if it helps. Judging by the results= at the weekend, a grabber at your QTH would be very useful.

All the best

73s
Roger G3XBM



On 8 February 2011 19:36, mal hamilton <<= a href=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
Tnx Roger for the Met office details.
I will approach the 9 Khz slowly and in two=20 stages.
Stage 1
When I have worked all of the UK stations that= are active=20 on 137 Khz on either CW or QRS3, most of whom I have not yet heard in spit= e of=20 the fact I am=A0working all around EU and=A0Russia daily.
=A0
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Stage 2
When I am able to hear/see the UK stations with= NOV'S=20 active on 9 Khz, none detected so far, although I am able to copy DK7FC an= d=20 OE5ODL in=A0QRS3 mode.
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I specify the above criteria because=A0it would= be=20 counter productive=A0for me to embark on a project where=A0there would be= =20 noone to communicate with.
I think=A0UK amateurs would need to think in ter= ms of=20 Kilowatts and Amps on the lower frequencies like they do in EU=A0and=A0the= =20 USA.
otherwise=A0VLF/LF/MF=A0will turn out to be a DA= MP=20 SQUIB.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011= 4:22=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: VLF/LF QSO

Hi Mal

The only requirement is to inform the Met Office when you'll be= on-air -=20 they always say OK - (they do this so they can check if they've had= =20 interference to their sensitive monitoring gear) and to submit logs. You= would=20 be a most valuable member of the Dreamers and I urge you to submit an No= V=20 application. Looking forward to receiving your big signals soon.

All the best
Roger G3XBM

Via my 2.4GHz handheld (iPod Touch 4g)

On 8 Feb 2011, at 13:42, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net<= /a>>=20 wrote:

Stefan es Ossi when you are ready for a QSO= let me=20 know.
=A0From recent observations on both signals= I am=20 satisfied that I can receive both at a satisfactory level for a QSO at= =20 between QRS 3 and QRS 30 depending on condx at the actual time. I will= reply=20 xband on either 137.7 Khz or 502.6 Khz if you can receive satisfactory= on=20 those frequencies. I do not have a permit for TX on 9 Khz and then I= think=20 one can only TX at a time convenient to the UK Met office.
=A0
Pse advise when you are QRV
73 De Mal/g3kev
=A0



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