Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mj12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mj12.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.96]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC064-86a44d4ae22d3b9; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 12:13:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mj12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 793BA3800008B; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 12:13:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Pl2jG-00005t-Nh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 17:12:22 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Pl2jG-00005k-6L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 17:12:22 +0000 Received: from mail-yi0-f43.google.com ([209.85.218.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl2jE-0007Xp-3T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 17:12:22 +0000 Received: by yie16 with SMTP id 16so560944yie.16 for ; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 09:12:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ZpDTWF7wTaLLFqs638ssq0Pk97OTMLHeHmNbxa2om5A=; b=GTWhHIdBawEWxrmlpnWG5a9Xea4W4MJC2I5aWzyujypIVjF2zZMn6a9MU9eWby5rwS H/jqAOakr6hlD79dZEVvoL3wkYzZbP1Gfer2dfJ+KaMzVIa4csATd8PpnEnX7btv+p52 D8sasD85hYnOt4ULVbrOLbPFKIw4Eg6J0A2lM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=cWyvPz4kOUBIhNWE0Qp0LUeOE/mPPpxYctk9o5tF8CK3uWJysoVpCiHCP5mwZhQjXU KYWqZDjBjv7N8Qp3CGa5kQzAtrQ5/3nBY9CLknm8+97Wizb4mvoN/NiKXIIbBtX2j8ml /1CMmNvxRsVI39Gw4bKD+JRy2wK9NbXXXg1Pc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.227.68 with SMTP id iz4mr12960849icb.426.1296753132903; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 09:12:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.241.73 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 09:12:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 17:12:12 +0000 Message-ID: From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Earth-mode or not earth-mode Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a005d91dba049b63dd0f X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d288.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039400c89b84d4ae22a3b92 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --20cf3054a005d91dba049b63dd0f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks for feedback and questions from Rik, Chris, Mal, Stefan and others on and off this list. *I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me why, if this is (mainly) conduction along metal pipes, which I am sure it is, best results are notobtained with a galvanic connection to the pipe at each end and why best receive results are with an E-field probe. I remain puzzled. Answers please! * May I reply on a few general points raised by some? *What is the definition of earth-mode?* I could not find one, but my understanding is "*communication between two points essentially using conduction through the ground*". In the modern world it is almost impossible to find anywhere, except remote moors, that is not criss-crossed with buried cables and pipes. My interpretation of earth-mode therefore includes utilising these as a means of helping a signal get from (a) to (b). Hence my term "utilities assisted earth-mode". In mining and military use of earth-mode I think this is also accepted. What I also mean is communicating from (a) to (b) *not* using a radiated signal or induction as the *prime* means of propagation. *Why experiment with this form of VLF/ULF communication? * >From my tests last year it was clear that local communication "piggy-backing" on these buried utilities seemed to be possible over many kilometres without the need for large and complex antenna systems that are essential to get even a tiny VLF signal actually *radiated*, as Ossi, Gerhard, Stefan and Chris know only too well. Questions I'm trying to answer are: - How best to launch a signal? - What in the ground (apart from water, soil and rock) helps the signal get from (a) to (b)? - What works best to pick up the VLF/ULF signal at the far end of the link? - What frequencies work best? - What are the noise sources and how can these be minimised? - How close to buried utilities does one really have to be for it to work? - Can one use rivers, canals or the sea coast for earth-mode? - How little/much power is needed for a given range? - What modes are most effective? - What is the practical range limit? - Is there a practical use for this form of communication? Also, I'd welcome suggestions for further practical tests. A lot of the experience is directly useful in the reception of DX *radiated* VLF signals. Results have been shared here because others are known to be interested in this aspect of VLF work, but if people think the LF-reflector is *not* the right place please say so. 73s Roger G3XBM -- g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ www.g3xbm.co.uk www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --20cf3054a005d91dba049b63dd0f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for feedback and questions from Rik, Chris, Mal, Stefan and others= on and off this list.

I'm still waiting for someone to exp= lain to me why, if this is (mainly) conduction along metal pipes, which I= am sure it is, best results are not obtained with a galvanic conne= ction to the pipe at each end and why best receive results are with an E-f= ield probe. I remain puzzled. Answers please!

May I reply on a few general points raised by some?

What is the definition of earth-mode?

I could not find one, but my understanding is "communicat= ion between two points essentially using conduction through the ground= ". In the modern world it is almost impossible to find anywhere, exce= pt remote moors, that is not criss-crossed with buried cables and pipes.= My interpretation of earth-mode therefore includes utilising these as a= means of helping a signal get from (a) to (b). Hence my term "utilit= ies assisted earth-mode". In mining and military use of earth-mode I= think this is also accepted. What I also mean is communicating from (a)= to (b) not using a radiated signal or induction as the prime means of propagation.

Why experiment with this form of VLF/ULF communication? =

From my tests last year it was clear that local communication &quo= t;piggy-backing" on these buried utilities seemed to be possible over= many kilometres without the need for large and complex antenna systems th= at are essential to get even a tiny VLF signal actually radiated,= as Ossi, Gerhard, Stefan and Chris know only too well.

Questions I'm trying to answer are:
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  • How best to launch a signal?
  • What in the ground (apart from water, soil and rock) helps the signal= get from (a) to (b)?
  • What works best to pick up the VLF/ULF signa= l at the far end of the link?
  • What frequencies work best?
  • What are the noise sources and how can these be minimised?
  • How= close to buried utilities does one really have to be for it to work?
  • Can one use rivers, canals or the sea coast for earth-mode?
  • <= li>How little/much power is needed for a given range?
  • What modes= are most effective?
  • What is the practical range limit?
  • Is= there a practical use for this form of communication?
Also, I'd welcome suggestions for fu= rther practical tests.=A0 A lot of the expe= rience is directly useful in the reception of DX radiated VLF signa= ls.

Results have been shared here because others are known to be intereste= d in this aspect of VLF work, but if people think the LF-reflector is n= ot the right place please say so.


73s
Roger G3XBM

g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
www.g3xbm.co.uk
www.youtub= e.com/user/g3xbm
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