Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.142]) by air-da06.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA061-85e84d6002432d; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:47:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 125F738000083; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:47:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PqqtK-0007Dr-2t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:46:46 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PqqtJ-0007Di-6G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:46:45 +0000 Received: from nm17.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.183.191]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PqqtJ-0005Ha-3i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:46:45 +0000 Received: from [217.146.183.184] by nm17.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2011 17:46:39 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.43] by tm15.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2011 17:46:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2011 17:46:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 471169.50091.bm@omp1028.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 18096 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Feb 2011 17:46:39 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1298137599; bh=tfOt2dnm6Ca4iBi7fKJsJ0wgHb+oXj4s9JfdsDlZKdM=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UEA2+QFFEO6SYmJzq127lcwquTV4esEVR89XLFNRKgc/hGhXFn1s2z1VSvR4FeuRuYc+17M4YdTUBxRI9VNXwDRMo9iqYrj1bPsobmWJ8SPyrpXJDfocBkNDdiWL5EN9iVh/HICKepXv7GnXAhAZlHrvhGr4BEbpRRzQPPGQdaE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=i0ccqu93rfQ/odsYYkog9vosXy1LaGOFbmsXSacAlfOmIF2ssyEuU1emzer0CzqnokjZKYxgYIVokeYYrcLiOqYc531ggaOXtMsYxMmFlB8dzBe3tgYv6/be5aKrL82OdsuJTsMrHuh4VfHxm6XA321vSQZz5oePbO8fYxFIvQE=; Message-ID: <262501.17518.qm@web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: hnjiBVcVM1nrDaCSN5VdYgteHNF2Qi.97yYH3RO1Ty477Vw pMj9hquGzW0z9ibYi0oQ2W7IdAcCJ8iV4hMq.X10QxUcHlUaDo7Yt5h5D9kJ kB04qn2h20JnHQ9p1tnCje8M8D3YxUMBTzqJFMgViGYk8tjt.j8cN8gVog8l fIixLC.kJ2lEB5u00gEnoxlb_oPNb9.dUfCQ9t10nhqsOE7VHh9p38oDpWZd LOXsr_BhO3EImn87TvmlYVFFtJ31lyZ9MPFInBx4GddWgukm8FiGFLb8Lpqq _cJ6ESFw7UjR9i9OE3g_A0PVlkhnG.mywfjC0WPq2vWY- Received: from [86.156.201.240] by web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:46:38 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/555 YahooMailWebService/0.8.109.292656 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:46:38 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: M0FMT? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-934710267-1298137598=:17518" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m006.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408e4d6002411696 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --0-934710267-1298137598=:17518 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike and LF Thanks for the report. Yes very poor isn't it. It's a circuit I copied out= of=20 the RSGB=A0LF Experimenter's Handbook. Very disappointing. It uses xtal fr= equency=20 difference.=A0It's a pity because on paper it looks like=A0a good idea. Al= l bits are=20 high stab. as well! I am running very QRP about a couple of Watts into a 600mm dia loading coi= l and=20 variometer into a inv "L" Up 12m abt 35m lng far end up 4m (temporary), 80= m per=20 leg=A0"H" ground system. Today after another frustrating period doing=A0various mods I have come to= the=20 conclusion that this=A0design will never work properly. Another=A0page to= tear out=20 of the book! Audible 16miles away great!=A0 I have an 8.8 meg rock to divide by 64 which may give better results. This= =20 should be on tomorrow some time.=A0 I would like to thank Chris G4AYT for his invaluable feed back during this= =20 excersise. 73 es GL petefmt=20 ________________________________ From: Mike Dennison To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sat, 19 February, 2011 11:38:10 Subject: LF: M0FMT? Big audible signal transmiting 'FMT' on 137.460kHz using QRSS10 and=20 rather wobbly frequency. Pic attached showing signal with and without=20 my 10dB attenuator in circuit. Mike, G3XDV =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 --0-934710267-1298137598=:17518 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mike and LF
 
Thanks for the report. Yes very poor isn't it. It's a circuit I copie= d out of the RSGB LF Experimenter's Handbook. Very disappointing. It= uses xtal frequency difference. It's a pity because on paper it look= s like a good idea. All bits are high stab. as well!
 
I am running very QRP about a couple of Watts into a 600mm dia loadin= g coil and variometer into a inv "L" Up 12m abt 35m lng far end up 4m (tem= porary), 80m per leg "H" ground system.
 
Today after another frustrating period doing various mods I have= come to the conclusion that this design will never work properly. An= other page to tear out of the book!
 
Audible 16miles away great! 
 
I have an 8.8 meg rock to divide by 64 which may give better results.= This should be on tomorrow some time. 
 
I would like to thank Chris G4AYT for his invaluable feed back during= this excersise.
 
 
73 es GL petefmt=20


=
From: Mike Dennison <mi= ke.dennison@ntlworld.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Sat, 19 February, 2011 11:38:10
Subject: LF: M0FMT?

Big au= dible signal transmiting 'FMT' on 137.460kHz using QRSS10 and
rather= wobbly frequency. Pic attached showing signal with and without
my 10d= B attenuator in circuit.

Mike, G3XDV
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D

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