Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.203]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE014-5ea54d2618d0135; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 14:32:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1D1D7380000FE; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 14:32:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PavYI-0003x2-Ey for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 19:31:14 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PavYH-0003ws-Qs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 19:31:13 +0000 Received: from nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.183.254]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PavYG-00073S-7L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 19:31:13 +0000 Received: from [217.146.183.214] by nm16.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2011 19:31:06 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.160] by tm7.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2011 19:31:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2011 19:31:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 545823.24764.bm@omp1001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 27924 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2011 19:31:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=h4mt19cbBVB+KGvy3Y73mg0Chkl2hrwTZPwmqaylPNy0DASIVZ7jDOeNjmwziuKGslASRkDBLiNDwgagewIwdzofH02lHF4+CSfKrb+mnV/sZaofodONU1asIiQU3BVFgnzcgrAJP8Qg3oDoPzil5HJRjyJY/cV+diVfrnBmRsg= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1294342266; bh=jEJ33zZ0V6SBS5zD6NCajtB9zIqWPBVi+4YM6yIy7Xc=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=1v+2u5a2rBXiBw+cz8daP+kBPhHL2wH/uTnwUy78BZet3J1h0jt9o50s0TjvD0rCxYKGZQFKzxuRuFD0ThIpdU38kq7ZYpiZzoHkD/byxuimRgMFMU3xk7q37yMsVytoN2gnfRIIna17Z8cwMLJ0NpUM179vtaYQBDtCtxpri+o= Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@109.156.208.18 with login) by smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 06 Jan 2011 19:31:03 +0000 GMT X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- X-YMail-OSG: 4bpG24IVM1mdurOJy4vutfrRKSxWA0B.Gg6uZ7YQKToJ352 6BD1R.1rCv0HRD7zh0RRvaa3umGA1bTMGvOXFs1Q4VJQUtj9JoqmZOFQHVep Q.PSYo78bs17uKtiwrpTrYZZfAYNnp7Rx_kpR6zQhscKJwMKVr5V_hJ5UZ8Z _e04pHh6n0gGj6aSjuWEykpIq6qh_iPO0wVC2iwgxFDEsJkDfJlnYr1pnGOH KPWL5Iw.llxDUgqt69xSXzi9lxtQQj6HVj4itcOruT2fw4vOduqaV4alfiAg yQCxFEA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <3F10330D89BC46B2B0071A38A6E5EC09@PCFausto> <5961FA4401BA460E89A59A764DF00469@JimPC> <0F390647FE98400C9E61BC6187E28763@PCFausto> In-Reply-To: <0F390647FE98400C9E61BC6187E28763@PCFausto> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 19:31:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18263 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Vertical antenna and connection line Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d310.1 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cb4d2618cc171e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 Dear Fausto, LF Group, Having the top loading wires as high up as possible is always best - greater height means higher radiation resistance and usually lower loss resistance, so that will boost your antenna efficiency. A rough guess would be that you could get 15m effective antenna height or perhaps a little more; with Rrad of 73 milliohms you would only need about 2.7A antenna current to reach the 1W ERP "legal limit". There do not seem to be many buildings and trees around your QTH, so loss resistance should be fairly low - probably <50ohms. So a few hundred watts TX power should be enough. A single downlead going directly to the antenna tuner is a much better idea than a transmission line, due to the fairly low antenna capacitance. The voltage with 300pF antenna capacitance and Iant around 3A would be about 12kV. This requires care, but is quite workable. I used an antenna with about 340pF capacitance (although only about 10m high) with antenna currents up to 6A, which was quite reliable eventually. I did initially have several problems with voltage brealdown. Initially, the loading coil was indoors, with the antenna connected via a marine-type feed-through porcelain insulator. The insulator was mounted on a plastic panel, and passed through an 80mm diameter hole in some wooden cladding. This worked OK when the weather was dry, but when the wood got damp in the rain, it caught fire!... I also burned a number of plastic insulators supporting the antenna wire. Eventually, the loading coil moved outside into its own shelter, and the porcelain insulator was mounted through a hole bored in a glass cooking dish about 250mm diameter, and this has proved a reliable insulator when exposed to the weather. I stopped the plastic insulators melting by fitting "corona rings" to the ends of the antenna wire to reduce the potential gradient. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU