Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.16]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE014-5ea54d418fcf21f; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 10:31:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EE7F238000087; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 10:31:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PiTnZ-0000mr-Of for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 15:30:13 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PiTnZ-0000mi-6s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 15:30:13 +0000 Received: from outbound-queue-1.mail.thdo.gradwell.net ([212.11.70.34]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PiTnY-00080o-3u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 15:30:13 +0000 Received: from outbound-edge-1.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (bonnie.gradwell.net [212.11.70.2]) by outbound-queue-1.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 750ED21E7C for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 15:29:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from host81-149-112-44.in-addr.btopenworld.com (HELO Hugh) (81.149.112.44) (smtp-auth username ashford, mechanism login) by outbound-edge-1.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (qpsmtpd/0.83) with ESMTPA; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 15:29:57 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Hugh_m0wye" To: References: Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 15:29:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-Gradwell-MongoId: 4d418f75.46ec-1ce2-1 X-Gradwell-Auth-Method: smtpauth X-Gradwell-Auth-Credentials: ashford X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: LF: Re: Advisory / Warning Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60104d418fcd6e40 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 If you had a few spare fluorescent tubes lying around you probably wouldn't have needed the torch - I understand Nicola Tesla illuminated his workshop in this way :-) 73 Hugh M0WYE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" To: Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 3:06 PM Subject: LF: Advisory / Warning > Thought I'd better warn QRO LF ops about this - something that had never > occured to me before, and could be nasty. > > I'm laying floor panels in my loft space, and this involves rerouting some > of the upstairs lighting wiring - drilling holes and feeding the wire > though > rather than it laying on top of joists where the flooring will sit. > Anyway, > there I was, was happily threading twin-and-earth cable by torchlight (*) > when I suddenly got a nasty RF burn holding one end of a piece > > The 500kHz WSPR beacon is running, and the bit I was holding was isolated > from the house main earth wire. The Tee antena runs outside over the > roof, only 3m or so away from where I was working. So more than enough > pickup with me and a bit of wire forming a dipole in the near field of 4kV > at 500kHz > > Now, bearing in mind the burnt ATU cabin of a few months ago, it made me > think... > Large bits of bare isolated wire or metal in roof spaces where LF antennas > pass over could be risky. They could pick up enough voltage to spark - > and > if there's paper/ wood / plastic at the sparking point, an RF spark that > always seems to turn into an arc, is very hot. > > Just a thought. > > (*) and BTW, there is a very strong argument for *not* having your > roofspace > light on the same circuit as your normal upstaris lighting > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com >