Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.75]) by air-md02.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD022-8b794d37ef46295; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 03:16:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 641F63800008B; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 03:16:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Pfpfm-0006E0-U4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:15:14 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Pfpfm-0006Dr-Gy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:15:14 +0000 Received: from mhost02c.leeds.ac.uk ([129.11.76.154]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Pfpfj-0002Ea-Sv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:15:14 +0000 Received: from APOLLO2.ds.leeds.ac.uk (apollo2.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.5.5]) by mhost02c.leeds.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p0K8F51I015265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:15:06 GMT Received: from HERMES8.ds.leeds.ac.uk ([fe80::39ce:23e:d0b5:7e24]) by APOLLO2.ds.leeds.ac.uk ([129.11.5.5]) with mapi; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:15:05 +0000 From: Chris Trayner To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:15:04 +0000 Thread-Topic: LF: Re: VLF Earth Mode does NOT need an NoV - official at last Thread-Index: Acu4eiTiicxa6kf4SAakyq0vzjJwbQ== Message-ID: References: <005701cbb73e$5ccee770$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: VLF Earth Mode does NOT need an NoV - official at last Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604b4d37ef45067b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear all, > With regard to UK VLF experimenters I don't think it is true that everyo= ne necessarily wants to radiate a far-field signal as far as possible. > No NOV required for Earth Mode (conduction/induction) applicable to Cave= divers where it is not intended to propagate a signal into the ether, but= to communicate through the earth. There has been a lot of talk about what people intend to do. Surely this= is irrelevant? The Law presumably says that that you may or may not radia= te in certain ways - your intentions are irrelevant. Non-radio equipment= which radiates interference can be illegal, though obviously no-one inten= ds it to radiate. As for propagation modes (earth conduction, near-field, far-field), the di= stinction between these is legally awkward as the Law tends to view the ph= ysics very simplistically. Yes, your loudspeaker and the mains wiring prob= ably do radiate a tiny amount of far-field radiation, but the Law was not= written by people who understood that. My guess is that the Law has ridic= ulously wide-ranging powers which, fortunately, it tends not to use. To add to the fun, if you think that near-field and far-field are distinct= , try reading a good textbook on electromagnetic radiation. Indeed, if you= think that electric and magnetic fields are distinct, try reading what Ei= nstein taught us in 1905! It's the old Oscar Wilde line about the truth be= ing rarely pure and never simple. It seems to me that there are four issues: - The physics - Ethics (e.g. not causing interference) - Common sense and realism (e.g. you can't eliminate all interference) - The Law These are not necessarily tied in with each other! 73, Chris G4OKW ----------------------- Dr Chris Trayner School of Electronic & Electrical Engineering, The University of Leeds, Leeds LS2 9JT, United Kingdom Tel: +44 113 34 32053 Fax: +44 113 34 32032