Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mj12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mj12.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.96]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC041-a92e4d46d33c307; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 10:20:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mj12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8BBB7380000C1; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 10:20:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PjvXR-0005mg-JN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:19:33 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PjvXQ-0005mX-U6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:19:32 +0000 Received: from mail-iw0-f171.google.com ([209.85.214.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PjvXO-0003Yn-7s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:19:32 +0000 Received: by iwn2 with SMTP id 2so5665179iwn.16 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 07:19:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=I9QmdDNn+/Igilty/UAoFdSnw2ffNdYXZUILXKnlqeY=; b=Yz3LqSERuD8tdJV/xeolNv2+zbcPkEWyYTxE2GSxV8cOT+d43y1LwSV/OZRWOiWi2w 92d2FFPJ8L4izjlLQm/h1+fVvoMc5+Bd3sJmelXbNtgX1+wH52gMacXAdLpALSs3UZbE H7NhnWNGVFBINF/4xe9BGhNw9u6yfBYnKQpeU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=tWGangCWuXWNPIrhJ5C/Tm8hE/XqTjQzru/bxtOx2x10PJ8yzbgiPV/QXfk/lsg9eG encX1cs2kafHtSJQsmEA0NB3jWSUxn3yvJoXzYbCuPZhqjJ0khrw/tF1RYWFc8fqufmb +pKbvN9n8faa/7xaJBciucVXskQZ4YrpFZk+k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.206.208 with SMTP id fv16mr5506917ibb.132.1296487162826; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 07:19:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.199.18 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 07:19:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4D46CE2C.8030206@o2.ie> References: <85896.7619.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <000d01cbc14c$ea593060$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4D46CE2C.8030206@o2.ie> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:19:22 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: OT End of the BBC World Service on Shortwave Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba4fc2f4cc2e21049b25f0f3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m007.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039400c89b84d46d33a25e7 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --90e6ba4fc2f4cc2e21049b25f0f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can confirm this - having once enquired of TVLO just to see if it was possible, but still needing a set coz of Am TV They even stated the conditions for the TV to be legal, which were : Not connected to any antenna All channel buttons "detuned" Judging by the rubbish on most broadcast TV these days - almost tempting. Andy 'JNT On 31 January 2011 14:58, Tony wrote: > On 31/01/2011 13:43, mal hamilton wrote: > >> =C5=81140 per licence to BBC and a criminal offence if it is not paid= if you >> have >> a TV >> G3KEV >> >> > Not so Mal, it is only a criminal offence if you watch "live" TV. > It's no longer an offence to have a TV set to play games or watch BBC > iplayer. > > It still is here in Ireland though. > > 73, Tony, EI8JK. > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Warren Ziegler" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:50 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: OT End of the BBC World Service on Shortwave >> >> >> John, Pete, >> >> I'll keep it brief since we are getting further off-topic. >> I have two thoughts on the end of the BBC World Service on Shortwave: >> >> 1) The reliance on the Internet for program distribution is worrisome. >> One only need look at Egypt where the Internet is shut down, or China >> where it is censored. >> >> 2) The BBC World Service gives the U.K. considerable stature in the >> World, in other words the U.K. is a small country with a big voice and >> international role. Elimination of the World Service will make the >> U.K. just another small, non-descript country in the EU. >> >> 73 Warren K2ORS >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 5:20 AM, M0FMT wrote: >> >>> Hi Warren >>> >>> My immediate response is that if you like it that much why not pay >>> English >>> tax to help maintain it. >>> >>> However the BBC world service, the Government mouth-piece, is currentl= y >>> funded by direct taxation which is probable more equitable than the ne= w >>> >> plan >> >>> which is to fund it out of the compulsory so called Licence Fee, >>> collected >>> under threat of imprisonment, which is really a tax on a tax i.e. paid >>> out >>> of taxed income. >>> >>> This is the dark side of English culture. >>> >>> 73 es GL petefmt >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Warren Ziegler >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Sent: Mon, 31 January, 2011 5:15:48 >>> Subject: LF: OT End of the BBC World Service on Shortwave >>> >>> Sad day... >>> >>> >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jan/28/bbc-world-service-cuts-resp= onse >> >>> Guess I'll have to rely on the 198 longwave transmissions. >>> >>> -- >>> 73 Warren K2ORS >>> WD2XGJ >>> WD2XSH/23 >>> WE2XEB/2 >>> WE2XGR/1 >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> 73 Warren K2ORS >> WD2XGJ >> WD2XSH/23 >> WE2XEB/2 >> WE2XGR/1 >> >> >> >> >> >> > > --90e6ba4fc2f4cc2e21049b25f0f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I can confirm this - having once enquired of TVLO just to see if it= was possible, but still needing a set coz of Am TV
They even stated the conditions for the TV to be legal, which=C2=A0we= re :
=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0 Not connected to any antenna
=C2=A0=C2=A0 All channel buttons "detuned"
=C2=A0
Judging by the rubbish on most broadcast TV these days - almost tempt= ing.
=C2=A0
Andy
'JNT
=C2=A0


=C2=A0
On 31 January 2011 14:58, Tony <ei8jk@o2.ie> wrote:
On 31/01/2011 13:43, mal hamil= ton wrote:
=C5=81140 per licence to BBC= and a criminal offence if it is not paid if you have
a TV
G3KEV
=

Not so Mal, it is only a criminal offence if you watch "live"= ; TV.
It's no longer an offence to have a TV set to play games or= watch BBC iplayer.

It still is here in Ireland though.

73,= Tony, EI8JK.


----- Original Message -----From: "Warren Ziegler"<wd2xgj@gmail.com>
To:<r= sgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:5= 0 PM
Subject: Re: LF: OT End of the BBC World Service on Shortwave
<= br>
John, Pete,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I'll keep it= brief since we are getting further off-topic.
I have two thoughts on= the end of the BBC World Service on Shortwave:

1) The reliance on= the Internet for program distribution is worrisome.
One only need look at Egypt where the Internet is shut down, or China
w= here it is censored.

2) The BBC World Service gives the U.K. consid= erable stature in the
World, in other words the U.K. is a small country= with a big voice and
international role. Elimination of the World Service will make the
U.K.= just another small, non-descript country in the EU.

73 Warren K2OR= S



On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 5:20 AM, M0FMT<m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> =C2=A0wr= ote:
Hi Warren

My immediate= response is that if you like it that much why not pay English
tax to= help maintain it.

However the BBC world service, the Government mouth-piece, is currentl= y
funded by direct taxation which is probable more equitable than the= new
plan
which is to fund it out of the= compulsory so called Licence Fee, collected
under threat of imprisonme= nt, which is really a tax on a tax i.e. paid out
of taxed income.

This is the dark side of English culture.

7= 3 es GL petefmt

________________________________
From: Warren Zi= egler<wd2xgj@gmai= l.com>
To: rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Mon, 31 January, 2011 5:15:48
Sub= ject: LF: OT End of the BBC World Service on Shortwave

Sad day...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/med= ia/2011/jan/28/bbc-world-service-cuts-response
Guess I'll have to rely on= the 198 longwave transmissions.

--
73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJWD2XSH/23
WE2XEB/2
WE2XGR/1





--
73 Warren= K2ORS
WD2XGJ
WD2XSH/23
WE2XEB/2
WE2XGR/1




<= br>



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