Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.209]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC083-86544d2c6e5f160; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 09:51:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D968F380000BA; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 09:51:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PcfXq-00014D-8q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 14:49:58 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PcfXp-000144-LR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 14:49:57 +0000 Received: from mail-iy0-f171.google.com ([209.85.210.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PcfXn-0008Qn-Dl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 14:49:57 +0000 Received: by iyj21 with SMTP id 21so19402445iyj.16 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 06:49:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/ljjEMIa6qqKf0Xs/rm5rX82K3sEpo+w33BG0QRSzEo=; b=uc1geP+V4dPSiOQd2OxnYxul0w0y4wB6SRZ+3aLilHTdsw5TItxBTFVbCf0LBkGlTw sOMIzrv0CAEOvpYrGaZShPOm671gEI/oBMovbEzsRGx5z4LajaftJ7dJ2CUiBvqM8m8A 3cmG6R+hlvDx7oN814uut4PhHIaSPGGq0LpDQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=CxYlT08Ul40sets2X0OmHSqjSj/HFuMGFCAGWmFz85rzKbOnefv1Sv2OdW3FtqhFSK qKh+NVs2cOffs/ccFBLERIGXmBFchS8Zd538c4j1oO9DHQiggNO+paouIukiAZuLeAxd 9WUHdClh9puP+pl+yS2lVXQSGJgYOE4QA1Mj4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.199.10 with SMTP id eq10mr30019735ibb.112.1294757388696; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 06:49:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.200.211 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 06:49:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 14:49:48 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: First 500kHz Class E breadboard Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba4fc4c63958670499933278 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d011.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d14d2c6e5d47e9 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --90e6ba4fc4c63958670499933278 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 OK. The first attempt at a Class E PA using all junk box bits has been a bit more sucessful as reasonably expected, and has flagged up exactly what several people did mention on this reflector. Using a the somewhat old and vernerable IRF462 with its Rdson of 0.4 ohms, even with two in parallel, the efficiency achieved never exceeded 84%, and looking at the scope trace the voltage drop across them at peak was in the region of 7 - 9V. So its clear where the power was being lost. All the caps were made up from parallel combinations of the 3.3nF things I had so many of - and knowing the right scope trace shape to tune for made setting up straightforward. The lower efficiency meant the 500 Watts aim couldn't be achieved, but at a 50V rail I did get a smidgen more than 410W, and felt this is about the limit I really ought to go for with this sub-optimum choice of device The additional losses in the FETs made tuning flatter than expected, and there were several combinations of Caps (all with the same fixed L) that gave a similar overall efficiency once the trace had been optimised, Just max power was different. The total cost in real money spent on components used in the final breadboard was absolutely zero, everything came from the junk box. (Although the 3.3nF capactors were all originally bought new back in 1997 when I was resonanting a 3m diameter two turn loop of water pipe on 73kHz) I'll do a write up and post on my web site for anyone who wants to build similar PAs.. There are a couple of minor gotchas its worth looking out for - not least burnt fingers on an inadequate DC feed torroid. Now I know the desgn is so easy to get going, may spend a bit of money on some more modern devices and aim for a better efficiency. Andy www.g4jnt.com --90e6ba4fc4c63958670499933278 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OK.=A0 The first attempt at a Class E PA using all junk box bits has= =A0been=A0a bit more=A0sucessful as reasonably expected, and has flagged= up exactly what several people did=A0mention on this reflector.=A0=A0=A0= Using a the somewhat old and vernerable=A0IRF462 with its Rdson of 0.4 oh= ms, even with two in parallel, the efficiency achieved never exceeded 84%,= and looking at the scope trace the voltage drop across them at peak was= in the region of 7 - 9V.=A0=A0 So its clear where=A0the power was being= lost.=A0=A0=A0
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All the caps were made up from parallel combinations of the 3.3nF thi= ngs I had so many of - and knowing the right scope trace shape to tune for= made setting up straightforward.=A0=A0 The lower efficiency meant the 500= Watts aim=A0couldn't be=A0achieved, =A0but at a 50V rail I did get a= smidgen more than 410W, and felt this is about the limit I really ought= to go for with this sub-optimum choice of device
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The additional losses in the=A0FETs made tuning flatter than expected= , and there were several combinations of Caps (all with=A0the same=A0fixed= L) that gave a similar=A0overall efficiency once the trace had been optim= ised, Just max power was different.
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The total cost in real money spent on components used in the final br= eadboard was absolutely zero, everything=A0came from the junk box.=A0 (Alt= hough the 3.3nF capactors were all originally bought new back in 1997 when= I was resonanting a 3m diameter two turn =A0loop of water pipe on 73kHz)<= /div>
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I'll do a write up and post on my web site for anyone who wants= to build similar PAs..=A0 There are a couple of minor gotchas its worth= looking out for - not least burnt fingers on an inadequate DC feed torroi= d.
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Now I know the desgn is so easy to get going, may spend a bit of mone= y on some more modern devices and aim for a better efficiency.=A0
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Andy
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