Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dj10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dj10.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.19.187.146]) by air-md07.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD073-8b8e4d418a47fa; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 10:07:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dj10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6F7EF38000083; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 10:07:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PiTQT-0000eR-Gk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 15:06:21 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PiTQS-0000eI-VU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 15:06:20 +0000 Received: from mail-iw0-f171.google.com ([209.85.214.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PiTQQ-0007lz-93 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 15:06:20 +0000 Received: by iwn2 with SMTP id 2so2170161iwn.16 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 07:06:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=QNRDnaNRb5FLV6xm9VORuoiJosHLVeJicAlEOadfPl4=; b=nEfeEaG8ZRZW5Fk8DyTycOb1J0HUo0uXti6Q6j6bmgY+/+dMxXNWAm3SGo+B12HA/g HFz7N/9/WLF+sqcZDaS+h/5d0D3jbXlrcoC8H9Jwom4hYmXGkOL+5yjeF2evA49vfECs SmC3iBbZgcJEPhA3oS9txe/mjJ33CS5/de+OQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=FO6dXTSud3Wiw4PCgF0zaOEW7eGmM5kpH5KaUU208zLwNeYx1KFzQwUm3ftYrrPfL0 j1uzJOSyXBsxka3Xf3O6e+TrkKW+55f79QzlEvMT7unEqQe7Jffq0yJIch+OnzW0lcyi 558m2m9OaClO15wJ4LPIT8dQio373Ee++jEzQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.36.133 with SMTP id t5mr1087992ibd.12.1296140776375; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 07:06:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.200.211 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 07:06:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 15:06:16 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Advisory / Warning Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00221540147e8e04de049ad54a86 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m265.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039cdbc9d0f4d418a45115b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00221540147e8e04de049ad54a86 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thought I'd better warn QRO LF ops about this - something that had never occured to me before, and could be nasty. I'm laying floor panels in my loft space, and this involves rerouting some of the upstairs lighting wiring - drilling holes and feeding the wire though rather than it laying on top of joists where the flooring will sit. Anyway, there I was, was happily threading twin-and-earth cable by torchlight (*) when I suddenly got a nasty RF burn holding one end of a piece The 500kHz WSPR beacon is running, and the bit I was holding was isolated from the house main earth wire. The Tee antena runs outside over the roof, only 3m or so away from where I was working. So more than enough pickup with me and a bit of wire forming a dipole in the near field of 4kV at 500kHz Now, bearing in mind the burnt ATU cabin of a few months ago, it made me think... Large bits of bare isolated wire or metal in roof spaces where LF antennas pass over could be risky. They could pick up enough voltage to spark - and if there's paper/ wood / plastic at the sparking point, an RF spark that always seems to turn into an arc, is very hot. Just a thought. (*) and BTW, there is a very strong argument for *not* having your roofspace light on the same circuit as your normal upstaris lighting Andy www.g4jnt.com --00221540147e8e04de049ad54a86 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thought I'd better warn QRO LF ops about this - something that ha= d never occured to me before, and could be nasty.
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I'm laying=A0floor panels in my loft space, and this involves rer= outing some of the upstairs lighting wiring - drilling holes and feeding= the wire though rather than it laying on top of joists where the flooring= will sit.=A0 Anyway, there I was, was happily threading twin-and-earth ca= ble=A0by torchlight (*) when I suddenly got a nasty RF burn holding one en= d of a piece
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The 500kHz WSPR beacon is running, and the bit I was holding was isol= ated from the house main earth wire.=A0=A0The Tee antena runs outside over= the roof,=A0only 3m or so away from where I was working.=A0=A0 So more th= an enough pickup with me and a bit of wire forming a dipole in the near fi= eld of 4kV at 500kHz
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Now, bearing in mind the burnt ATU cabin of a few months ago, it made= me think...
Large bits of bare isolated wire or metal in roof spaces where LF ant= ennas pass over could be risky.=A0=A0 They could pick up enough voltage to= spark - and if there's paper/ wood / plastic at the sparking point,= an RF spark that always seems to turn into an arc, is very hot.
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Just a thought.
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(*)=A0and BTW,=A0there is a very strong argument for not havin= g your roofspace light on the same circuit as your normal upstaris lightin= g
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Andy
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