Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.12]) by air-md04.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD042-8b814d44a574215; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:40:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C39D13800009F; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:40:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PjKOC-0007gK-AH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 23:39:32 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PjKOB-0007gB-IR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 23:39:31 +0000 Received: from mail-iy0-f171.google.com ([209.85.210.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PjKO9-0003Ss-2E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 23:39:31 +0000 Received: by iyj21 with SMTP id 21so3922722iyj.16 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 15:39:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=4My+LJouVUzXPqA09IEJiEmKxGiKq0c9iXPhqzJMkVY=; b=AFnDcd9mWssLq3FBM1hnbeZXP9Sz2dHHXYir33Gk8j4QiLCNGc07r59T9jMRv/OcQV 18EsapsXcOPYX94VHn8qKXf/CL2gUl6dYmqIMW3B4mN/SCqk4W/72Md79j0yk+/lKOS5 s+IeVjLjfclW/87VFqyEE3FSi5Kj95LBicnEU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=F+2IAhE81TCdv0rTTNDaNJ8PNmpM5VjZg9q7hpEzVczKvzMll5H27+GVhf1xOixtXP cvZ8PmFirSpgjrsp9DKBuh2dtJgQ3MaKs6UhpxMai2fojvSpikA9K95WAciHGbWXxAVR uR6DGCNaaMBL3wfpHfRfFwf3al/AYl+R7/v6E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.206.208 with SMTP id fv16mr3360220ibb.132.1296344362542; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 15:39:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.199.18 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 15:39:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4D449E50.2020507@o2.co.uk> References: <4D449E50.2020507@o2.co.uk> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 23:39:22 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: LF coil tuning Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba4fc2f43c6b19049b04b126 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d023.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410c4d44a5724b1b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --90e6ba4fc2f43c6b19049b04b126 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The Toko range of coils come with the option of an aluminium tuning slug which amounts to much the same thing. It is often preferable to ferrite, being more stable with temperature and less prone to breaking when used with the wrong tuning tool. It typically gives a 20% range from 0.8 - 1.0 of the original L I used it as a quick way of adjusting the tank on the latest class E Tx without removing turns, but found adjustment wasn't critical and could all be done by varying the caps. L could be shifted around 10% just placing a shorted turn .around one end of the tank - it didn't get warm or give any detectable additional loss. I've also tried using a Cu tuning plate on an adjustable L in a HI-Q antenna matching in the past, using a screw to alter the distance from plate to the end of the coil. It somehow 'felt wrong' or unethical, even though it worked well enough. Well worth a try anyway Andy www.g4jnt.com On 29 January 2011 23:10, Peter Dodd wrote: > The traditional method of tuning an LF loading coil is to use a variometer. > > I have been investigating methods of tuning coils for mobile use and one > method that appeared briefly in one of the ARRL Handbooks of the 50s was > the shorted turn method of tuning. > > I tried a home made coil of 136uH on a 5cm diameter former and using a > shorted turn of 2mm insulated wire and obtained a tuning range of 32uH. (136 > - 102uH). > > Has anyone out there tried this? > > Regards > > Peter G3LDO > > > > > > --90e6ba4fc2f43c6b19049b04b126 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The Toko range of coils come with the option of an aluminium tuning= slug which amounts to much the same thing.=A0=A0 It is often preferable= to ferrite, being more stable with temperature and less prone to breaking= when used with the wrong tuning tool.=A0=A0 It typically gives a 20% rang= e from 0.8 - 1.0 of the original L
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I=A0 used it as a quick way of adjusting the tank on the latest class= E Tx without removing turns, but found adjustment wasn't critical and= could all be done by varying the caps.=A0=A0=A0 L could be shifted around= 10% just placing a shorted=A0turn .around one end of the tank - it didn&#= 39;t get warm or give any detectable additional loss.
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I've also tried=A0using a Cu tuning plate on an adjustable L in= a HI-Q antenna matching in the past, using a screw to alter the distance= from plate to the end of the coil.=A0 It=A0 somehow 'felt wrong'= or unethical,=A0 even though it worked well enough.
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Well worth a try anyway
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Andy
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On 29 January 2011 23:10, Peter Dodd <g3ldo@o2.co.uk> wrote:
The traditional method of tuni= ng an LF loading coil is to use a variometer.

I have been investiga= ting methods of tuning coils for mobile use and one method that appeared= briefly =A0in one of the ARRL Handbooks of the 50s was the shorted turn= method of tuning.

I tried a home made coil of 136uH on a 5cm diameter former and using= a shorted turn of 2mm insulated wire and obtained a tuning range of 32uH.= (136 - 102uH).

Has anyone out there tried this?

Regards
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Peter G3LDO

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