Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.210]) by air-ma06.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA062-b5294d271ff4ec; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 09:15:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0F737380000A0; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 09:15:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PbD50-0007ZN-JM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 14:14:10 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PbD4z-0007ZE-TP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 14:14:09 +0000 Received: from nm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PbD4y-0005cK-04 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 14:14:09 +0000 Received: from [77.238.189.56] by nm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2011 14:14:02 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.236] by tm9.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2011 14:14:02 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2011 14:14:02 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 396615.42154.bm@omp1001.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 53353 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2011 14:14:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Cf++gGdCihhgdJcAhp+xdRa1XQejfBZERy7VzWATgFBDs4bJd7blaXcLLHuSIrB/9zqkxv1wcveuNlnqQUmzLlIfd6y6/0dlGvznyiRIuApLTUaOw+Fyiko8ejxm228qOGe8nvPjywG+fbMxYX7gMFC+TNIifPn+GMmDPWKqkdA= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1294409642; bh=Uj6NO8ZiPlBM/Clf2Ka2EustaEyFZ8J8Gc5lBa4T2zQ=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=pL+xCCxFN3Kwuv47pHi9quxTImfKr7esusP/e3bA7GU1ETI+B1dgD9BSlQrLSHIMS/PLxNC1V9TYmHPNssLqPmVxiY4fLn/Tb3+nfThyH0BvaAsDB+SZUIDFMWHl1gXFPBeUP7JSqTEAI47vn5nnh7U4WXXUOOZ+k0RIccXWD88= Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@109.156.208.18 with login) by smtp823.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 07 Jan 2011 06:13:59 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- X-YMail-OSG: 6Cr3CbYVM1kWqdgPXRvCXMqizA0r1jWochHlzPg2BY8bXnv qAPzaZoC9eEBeoPIO_n7h5Xv_KEBiGK9o2BiMlmdGT_Q5vXLW5.ok8W1KdLV EjYh3voFgsz08viUKidX_Ta_EP9bT0BTubydCfegD6W6eiMWi6uXENEp4o5I EzvwUu9KoQFLtudqSygs3sXk2FNDul.ke91r6Bc4BBOR.JEsXljSxwisOONc 67DvNPAmR4PXjhkwHMsg7dsVAyjmZobzAxgKFE5UM5EGLYfKZZNW_552Juxx m4Sajsw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <85CEACD8BCC84EF68F30F843720D1B93@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <002801cbadf3$1e15bb70$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <1294359648.6336.6.camel@vaio3rd> <001501cbae53$54fee2a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4D26EE51.8010706@o2.ie> ,<001f01cbae5c$01cc94c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <556535.74415.qm@web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1294405086.5826.11.camel@pat-compaq-evo> <822454.92408.qm@web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <822454.92408.qm@web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 14:13:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18263 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: JA GRRABBERS (sic) at a same time Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d24d271fed10e2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 Dear LF Group, A quote from JA Fleming, Marconi's technical advisor: "The wavelength of the electric waves sent out from Poldhu Marconi station in 1901 was not measured because I did not invent my cymometer or wavemeter until October 1904. The height of the original aerial (1901) was 200 feet, but then there was a coil of a transformer or "jiggeroo" as we called it in series with it. My estimate was that the original wavelength must have been not less than about 3,000 feet, but it was considerably lengthened later on. I knew at that time that the diffraction or bending of the rays around the earth would be increased by increasing the wavelength and after the first success I was continually urging Marconi to lengthen the wavelength, and that was done when commercial transmission began. I remember I designed special cymometers to measure up to 20,000 feet or so". A "cymometer" was an early absorbtion wavemeter - I remember there used to be one in the Science Museum in London - I think the scale was calibrated in feet... Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU