Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.9]) by air-mc05.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC051-a9674d3e107a1e9; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:51:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 350743800009C; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:51:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PhWAt-0001xU-3D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 23:50:19 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PhWAs-0001xL-E3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 23:50:18 +0000 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PhWAq-0007BP-8e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 23:50:18 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 24 Jan 2011 23:50:10 -0000 Received: from p54809D6B.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.0.6]) [84.128.157.107] by mail.gmx.net (mp016) with SMTP; 25 Jan 2011 00:50:10 +0100 X-Authenticated: #21215289 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX180yI5QOVM0wEc1rzKGXg+AHG0+HhZAPZP7dEUAvz SS/XHv0l5OgqxS From: "Jurgen Bartels" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 00:50:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4D3E1E40.24225.1AEE1495@jurgenb2.3sdesign.de> In-reply-to: <004e01cbbc16$e0707580$4001a8c0@lark> References: <4D3D95AD.11858.18D895B1@jurgenb2.3sdesign.de>, <004e01cbbc16$e0707580$4001a8c0@lark> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: What freq. list can you recommend Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60094d3e10782ade X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 Alan, > Jurgen a lot of the list quoted are well out of date. Dont assume becaus= e a > station is quoted that it actually exists on that frequency. GBR and GBZ > closed years ago and the aerials were demolished. Work the other way see The problem with pages like http://www.vlf.it/trond2/15-20khz.html is that= I=20 don't know how old they are. And more confusing that GBR is listed as "act= rive" MWLIST seems to be more accurate, it doesn't list GBR anymore. How do guys see MWLIST, is it more up-to-date in the VLF range? > what you can hear and then try and identify the stations Your should se= e > around 5 or 6 stations between 17 and 24 kHz. One of the best checks use= d to > be the WWWL lighning sites but our local in Shefield seems to have reduc= ed What are those sites? =20 > Remember that many of the "signals" heard in this frequency area are due= to > badly designed or manufactured domestic equipment, in your or your > neighbours houses. Yes I know that, I'm an engineer, and treat this always with sceptism.=20 But my antenna is in a rural area, only our house is the closest, and I kn= ow=20 most of the potential noise sources. But there's always something new to= =20 discover. :-) Jurgen Bartels Suellwarden, N. Germany hor. Antennas: 11-ele 45-87MHz 13-ele Band-III, 48-ele UHF, FM: 15.11=20 TV: Winradio G305 / Fly2000 + video noise filter & variable IF BW FM: Downconverter + Perseus + Speclab as WFM demod. MW: staggered 300m Beverage 320=B0, 30 x 4m EWE 320=B0, Winradio & Perseu= s http://dx.3sdesign.de/tv_offset_list.htm http://dx.3sdesign.de/station_list.htm http://fewo.3sdesign.de - Vacation home: DX right at the Northsea coast