Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mj02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mj02.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.86]) by air-md07.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD074-8b8f4d371b0b20e; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:10:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mj02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9EFB1380000C3; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:10:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PfbXc-0001a1-0Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:09:52 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PfbXb-0001Zr-GI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:09:51 +0000 Received: from mout5.freenet.de ([195.4.92.95]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PfbXa-00056G-Pe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:09:51 +0000 Received: from [195.4.92.18] (helo=8.mx.freenet.de) by mout5.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.72 #3) id 1PfbXZ-00019H-DW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 18:09:49 +0100 Received: from blfd-5d820f74.pool.mediaways.net ([93.130.15.116]:1064 helo=[192.168.0.101]) by 8.mx.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (port 465) (Exim 4.72 #3) id 1PfbXZ-0003ul-3e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 18:09:49 +0100 Message-ID: <4D371ADB.1070405@freenet.de> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 18:09:47 +0100 From: wolf_dl4yhf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4D36FF68.2060009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4D36FF68.2060009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: Pic or Atmel? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039400c89a44d371b09424e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Stefan, I used both (PICs and Atmels, ATmegas, and a bunch of others) and would=20 suggest to .. - avoid 14-bit PICs (they are really dreadful if you need to do=20 arithmetics, and there is only a "pseudo-C"-like high level language.=20 16-, and especially 24- or even 32-bit "PIC" / dsPICs dont have much in=20 common with the old stuff, there are good debuggers, and 'true' C=20 compilers available for them. - ATmegas, even the tiniest ones, have a much nicer instruction set=20 (compared with 14-bit PIC core) and are thus more suited for compiled=20 languages like "C". My personal favourite (at the office) are ARM microcontrollers, though.=20 They are surprisingly cheap (NXP LPC2xxx series, compared to "larger"=20 PICs), *extremely* powerful, and you will find development boards for=20 them in any size and price, with all kinds of interfaces already=20 onboard. Try "Embedded Artists" for example, they are a nice starting=20 point for own development. And no, I am not related to them in any way,=20 just a satisfied customer. Cheers, Wolf DL4YHF . Am 19.01.2011 16:12, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: > Dear group, especially Andy/G4JNT, > > Maybe a little out of topic but very useful for LF/VLF devices:=20 > Programming microcontrollers. > > Before some years i worked with some PIC controllers, assembler. But=20 > in the German ham radio newspaper you rather find circuit examples=20 > programmed on an Atmel device. Now i want to buy some software and=20 > programming devices for microcontrollers and asking myselfe what i=20 > should choose, Pic or Atmel. Maybe its a question like Windows or=20 > Linux? ;-) > > My question would be what is the difference and the=20 > advantages/disadvantages. Is there a preferred device for practical=20 > purposes? > > Examples for what i want to do with a Pic or Atmel: > > -Programming a DDS VFO > -A/D / D/A conversion of LF/VLF signals > - Programming a beacon TX for 8970 Hz, directly driving a psuh-pull=20 > FET stage > - Maybe a DCF-77 RX for generating a reference signal? > -Regulators for battery charging > -combinations of the above > > and and and > > I would be thankful for useful comments and hints. > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > > >