Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.14]) by air-mc03.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC034-a8de4d35e71137c; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 14:16:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4F550380000B0; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 14:16:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PfH1d-0004Oa-Kw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 19:15:29 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PfH1d-0004OR-8R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 19:15:29 +0000 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PfH1c-0005cL-Ki for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 19:15:29 +0000 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (cyrus-portal.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.176]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p0IJFRve014625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 20:15:27 +0100 Received: from extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.140]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p0IJFRNg026258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 20:15:27 +0100 Received: from [129.206.197.52] (vpn052b.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.197.52]) by extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p0IJFPZn026906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 20:15:27 +0100 Message-ID: <4D35E6D1.6030401@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 20:15:29 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100711 Thunderbird/3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <797ad.4f2d887c.3a671a48@aol.com> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: VLF: 8970.02 Hz + 10th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600e4d35e70f3f78 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Jacek, Yes, that's indeed an interesting issue! I have observed the same, you still can see it on my grabber. So maybe we see an effect that shows us that we shouldn't just think: "The less noise, the better the SNR". I assume that this effect is rather an issue arround 6...9 kHz, where the sferic energy has its maximum. I assume this since i observe that e.g. DHO38 or all the MSKs are no so strong affected by this propagation change since the SNR increases and the signal levels are about the same while below 9 kHz the signals AND noise decreases and the SNR slightly decreased! Fixed antennas at constant power and many grabbers are very useful to observe these local effects live. BTW if we see the SNR of OE5ODL here in about 400 km distance, it is probably that G3XIZ can reach Germany in DFCW-6000 as well, if he uses his balloon antenna! :-) 73, Stefan Am 18.01.2011 19:11, schrieb Jacek Lipkowski: > OE5ODL is active today too. what is strange is that the 9kHz amplitude > (both his signal and noise) seem to be much lower, while the gain > hasn't been changed from yesterday (i've enclosed the 179uHz waterfall > from the last 2 days). there is also a weak trace at 8969.965Hz. > > today i don't see anything in 3.8mHz. > > jacek