Return-Path: Received: from mtain-di03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-di03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.7]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE084-5ec14d2f7097393; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:37:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-di03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5375B380000AB; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:37:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PdUqF-0001Bw-3K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 21:36:23 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PdUqE-0001Bn-JB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 21:36:22 +0000 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PdUqC-0001uo-U8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 21:36:22 +0000 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (cyrus-portal.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.176]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p0DLaImZ013599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 22:36:19 +0100 Received: from extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.140]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p0DLaIla001641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 22:36:18 +0100 Received: from [147.142.9.56] (vpn509-056.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de [147.142.9.56]) by extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p0DLaGMe006373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 22:36:18 +0100 Message-ID: <4D2F705F.7020804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 22:36:31 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100711 Thunderbird/3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003801cbb33e$8b59e620$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <004001cbb349$8b4ec190$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <004001cbb349$8b4ec190$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: FET RDS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40074d2f709529e5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) My LF 1 kW class E PA i using a single IRFP360 at > 96 % efficiency (at Z=R=50 Ohm of course). The driver is a ICL7667. The supply voltage is 80 VDC. That's not a dream ;-) Stefan/DK7FC Am 13.01.2011 18:44, schrieb mal hamilton: > Jim > What you say is correct but it is virtually impossible to achieve the 90% > plus efficiency claimed by some. The FET required in practice is not > available and these high efficiencies are only theoritical. > I have found this in practice ie 80% if you are lucky on a good day > mal/g3kev > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Moritz" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 5:31 PM > Subject: LF: Re: FET RDS > > > >> Dear Mal, Andy, LF Group, >> >> There is a trade-off in construction of MOSFETs - basically, for a given >> area of silicon, higher BVdss requires a thicker active region of the >> MOSFET with higher on resistance. You can reduce Rdson by using a greater >> chip area, but that means higher capacitances, increased cost, etc. So you >> can't have your cake and eat it. >> >> In Andy's breadboard circuit, there is a mismatch between the available >> MOSFET type and the available PSU voltage - the 500V BVdss is a bit too >> > high > >> for a 60V DC supply - the peak voltage in an ideal class E is 3.56 x Vdc, >> perhaps you would allow 5 x Vdc for safety. 300V BVdss mosfets seem a bit >> thin on the ground, so more efficient schemes might be to increase Vdc to >> about 100V, or reduce it to about 40V and use lower Rdson 200V mosfets. >> >> Cheers, Jim Moritz >> 73 de M0BMU >> >> >> >> >